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Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert
The NY Times ^ | 042103 | JUDITH MILLER

Posted on 04/20/2003 7:24:03 PM PDT by Archangelsk

Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert
By JUDITH MILLER

[W] ITH THE 101ST AIRBORNE DIVISION, south of Baghdad, Iraq, April 20 ? A scientist who claims to have worked in Iraq's chemical weapons program for more than a decade has told an American military team that Iraq destroyed chemical weapons and biological warfare equipment only days before the war began, members of the team said.

They said the scientist led Americans to a supply of material that proved to be the building blocks of illegal weapons, which he claimed to have buried as evidence of Iraq's illicit weapons programs.

The scientist also told American weapons experts that Iraq had secretly sent unconventional weapons and technology to Syria, starting in the mid-1990's, and that more recently Iraq was cooperating with Al Qaeda, the military officials said.

The Americans said the scientist told them that President Saddam Hussein's government had destroyed some stockpiles of deadly agents as early as the mid-1990's, transferred others to Syria, and had recently focused its efforts instead on research and development projects that are virtually impervious to detection by international inspectors, and even American forces on the ground combing through Iraq's giant weapons plants.

An American military team hunting for unconventional weapons in Iraq, the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha, or MET Alpha, which found the scientist, declined to identify him, saying they feared he might be subject to reprisals. But they said that they considered him credible and that the material unearthed over the last three days at sites to which he led them had proved to be precursors for a toxic agent that is banned by chemical weapons treaties.

The officials' account of the scientist's assertions and the discovery of the buried material, which they described as the most important discovery to date in the hunt for illegal weapons, supports the Bush administration's charges that Iraq continued to develop those weapons and lied to the United Nations about it. Finding and destroying illegal weapons was a major justification for the war.

The officials' accounts also provided an explanation for why United States forces had not yet turned up banned weapons in Iraq. The failure to find such weapons has become a political issue in Washington.

Under the terms of her accreditation to report on the activities of MET Alpha, this reporter was not permitted to interview the scientist or visit his home. Nor was she permitted to write about the discovery of the scientist for three days, and the copy was then submitted for a check by military officials.

Those officials asked that details of what chemicals were uncovered be deleted. They said they feared that such information could jeopardize the scientist's safety by identifying the part of the weapons program where he worked.

The MET Alpha team said it reported its findings to Washington after testing the buried material and checking the scientist's identity with experts in the United States. A report was sent to the White House on Friday, experts said.

Military spokesmen at the Pentagon and at Central Command headquarters in Doha, Qatar, said they could not confirm that an Iraqi chemical weapons scientist was providing American forces with new information.

The scientist was found by a team headed by Chief Warrant Officer Richard L. Gonzales, the leader of MET Alpha, one of several teams charged with hunting for unconventional weapons throughout Iraq. Departing from his team's assigned mission, Mr. Gonzales and his team of specialists from the Defense Intelligence Agency tracked down the scientist on Thursday through a series of interviews and increasingly frantic site visits.

While this reporter could not interview the scientist, she was permitted to see him from a distance at the sites where he said that material from the arms program was buried.

Clad in nondescript clothes and a baseball cap, he pointed to several spots in the sand where he said chemical precursors and other weapons material were buried. This reporter also accompanied MET Alpha on the search for him and was permitted to examine a letter written in Arabic that he slipped to American soldiers offering them information about the program and seeking their protection.

Military officials said the scientist told them that four days before President Bush gave Mr. Hussein 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war, Iraqi officials set fire to a warehouse where biological weapons research and development was conducted.

The officials quoted him as saying he had watched several months before the outbreak of the war as Iraqis buried chemical precursors and other sensitive material to conceal and preserve them for future use. The officials said the scientist showed them documents, samples, and other evidence of the program that he claimed to have stolen to prove that the program existed.

MET Alpha is one of several teams created earlier this year to hunt for unconventional weapons in Iraq. Supported by the 75th Exploitation Task Force, a field artillery brigade based in Fort Sill, Okla., the teams were charged with visiting some 150 top sites that intelligence agencies have identified as suspect.

But the Pentagon-led teams, which include specialists from several Pentagon agencies, have been hampered by a lack of resources and by geography.

Because the task force has two expensive, highly sophisticated, transportable labs in which chemical and germ samples can be analyzed quickly, it was kept at a safe distance from fighting at a desert camp in Kuwait, just across the Iraqi border.

Unable to move their task force closer to Baghdad, where most of the suspect sites and scientists who worked in them are situated, the mobile exploitation teams have had to rely on scarce helicopters to travel to suspect sites in the Baghdad area. Until recently, these were reserved mainly for soldiers going to battle. As a result, most of the teams had done almost no weapons hunting until the fighting had largely concluded.

Two weeks ago, MET Alpha was finally given a mission of inspecting barrels filled with chemicals that were buried on the outskirts of Al Muhawish, a small town south of Baghdad. A small team with little equipment and virtually no supplies traveled to the town for what was supposed to be a half-day survey. The barrels turned out to contain no chemical weapons agents.

But during the survey of that site, Maj. Brian Lynch, the chemical officer of the 101st Airborne Division, told MET Alpha members about a report of suspect containers buried in the area that fit the description of mobile labs.

Other officers mentioned that a man who said he was an Iraqi scientist had given troops a note about Iraq's chemical warfare program. No one had yet followed up the report, they said, because of the fighting and also because similar tips had failed to produce evidence of unconventional weapons.

The team, with vehicles and supplies from the 101st Airborne Division, went out on its own to survey other sites and pursue the tip about the buried containers and the scientist. After completing a lengthy survey of one installation, Mr. Gonzales and other team members from the Defense Intelligence Agency's Chemical Biological Intelligence Support Team decided to try to find the scientist.

Mr. Gonzales tracked down the scientist's note, which had never been formally analyzed and was still in a brigade headquarters, along with the scientist's address, military officials said.

The next morning, MET Alpha weapons experts found the scientist at home, along with some documents from the program and samples he had buried in his backyard and at other sites.

The scientist has told MET Alpha members that because Iraq's unconventional weapons programs were highly compartmented, he only had firsthand information about the chemical weapons sector in which he worked, team members said.

But he has given the Americans information about other unconventional weapons activities, they said, as well as information about Iraqi weapons cooperation with Syria, and with terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda. It was not clear how the scientist knew of such a connection.

The potential of MET Alpha's work is "enormous," said Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the 101st Airborne Division.

"What they've discovered," he added, "could prove to be of incalculable value. Though much work must still be done to validate the information MET Alpha has uncovered, if it proves out it will clearly be one of the major discoveries of this operation, and it may be the major discovery."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
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61 posted on 04/20/2003 10:47:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Archangelsk
The failure to find such weapons has become a political issue in Washington.

Not quite correct.
This has become an issue with Washington wanna-bes, Hollywood morons and other useful idiots.

62 posted on 04/20/2003 10:48:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: bigwheel
We are facing a catastrophy if we do not find the weapons that were the only reason for this war.

In your limited mind, perhaps.

63 posted on 04/20/2003 10:50:40 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Publius6961
and other useful idiots

Ummm... oxymoron?

64 posted on 04/20/2003 10:50:47 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: Badabing Badaboom; Mitchell; Fred Mertz; bonfire; birdwoman
The issue is not finding all the WMD. There is no way they can ever all be found -- for certain, anyway. They issue is what is the incentive structure for the people who know their location. That was the problem that had to be solved. And, I strongly suspect that it has been solved, at least w.r.t. to the problem at hand, i.e. that Saddam and the other members of the Iraqi regime who might know where the bioweapons are cached are not at large, but are essentially our hostages. The exact nature of that solution remains unrevealed, probably because that would involve the prestige-threatening revelation that we can be blackmailed with those weapons. The issue of biological WMD will not go away with Saddam, of course. That is being addressed long-term by Cheney's Project Bioshield. The short-term issue was Saddam because he was no longer in his box, but was rather leveraging his WMD capability to strike the US. Apart from Iraq, we're basically at peace with every other country in the world and, with the exception of Serbia, have been for a while, so there should be no other imminent threats. Assuming Saddam has taken an exile, other potential trouble-makers will take from recent events that (a) the US can be intimidated by WMD -- which of course is simply a given, since we are not magicians or miracle workers, and remained in a stalemate with the Soviets for decades, and are still stalemated with China, and (b) that we will aggressively pursue anybody who tries to leverage that threat to threaten the security to the United States, up to everything short of killing the leaders who threaten us. Under the circumstances, that is about as good as we can get.
65 posted on 04/20/2003 10:50:48 PM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: HAL9000; bonesmccoy; Cacique
Ping -- Just in case you haven't seen this!
66 posted on 04/20/2003 10:51:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: PianoMan
I personally cannot wait until the WMDs are proven to be found. An old friend who has become a Michael Moore lefty has been carping for months. He falsely predicted the war results and has nothing left but the "NO WMD" line. I have held my fire for the most part and let him rant. But I will not let him off the hook this time. He will forever be reminded how wrong he was if he dare spew his bilge in my presence again.
67 posted on 04/20/2003 10:56:29 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: AFPhys
Think we might want this on our thread.
68 posted on 04/20/2003 10:58:39 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Archangelsk
This is good news but it's also scary news.
69 posted on 04/20/2003 11:11:50 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: *Bio_warfare; seamole; Lion's Cub; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; Fish out of Water; ...
Ping!
70 posted on 04/20/2003 11:16:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: George W. Bush
Syria and the local Rotary Club of Terrorists having access to these weapons is scary.
71 posted on 04/20/2003 11:19:02 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Archangelsk
Hate to disappoint you all. But read this more carefully and compare it to what Powell and others were claiming was the state of Iraq's WMD programs before the war. Powell talked as if there were stockpiles of ready to use or easily to assemble WMD. But if this article represents the entire story, then basically Bush and company seem to have gotten quite a bit ahead of the game. Don't know how that would play in international circles or whether it ultimately matters. Maybe it's enough. Who knows.

The article says:

...They said the scientist led Americans to a supply of material that proved to be the building blocks of illegal weapons, which he claimed to have buried as evidence of Iraq's illicit weapons programs....

Buliding blocks aren't weapons. Were these things weaponized or not? Were they deliverable? Were there only laboratory quantities? Suppose they were never weaponized? Would that make Iraq a "grave and gathering danger" justifying a pre-emptive war?

Read some more.

The Americans said the scientist told them that President Saddam Hussein's government had destroyed some stockpiles of deadly agents as early as the mid-1990's, transferred others to Syria, and had recently focused its efforts instead on research and development projects that are virtually impervious to detection by international inspectors, and even American forces on the ground combing through Iraq's giant weapons plants.

This SOUNDS omininous, I admit. But notice what "recent activity" is said to be about. It's really pretty vague actually. What's unclear is whether we're talking basic science or weapons development. There's a world of difference.

If we're talking basic science, they could have been decades away from weapons development.

Notice too that the article says that stuff was destroyed in the mid-nineties, verifying a frequent pre-war claim by the Iraqis.

Moreover, notice what was actually found:

... the material unearthed over the last three days at sites to which he led them had proved to be precursors for a toxic agent that is banned by chemical weapons treaties.

One or more "precursors" for a "toxic agent that is banned by chemical weapons treaties"

The obvious question. Were some or all of the precursor or precursors banned? Were some or all of them (or it) dual use? Were the next steps ever taken?

I'm not denying the potential of this. But don't make too much of it just yet.

Indeed, its perfectly consistent with this story that the Iraqis were telling the truth - but not the whole truth - before the war. It may be that they abandoned all their previous WMD programs, as having already been discovered, breeched by the US and the earlier inspection regimes. They were probably only at early stages of redevelopment of new programs and never weaponized anything. So strictly speaking they had no stockpile of WMDs. In 10 years they might have new improved weapons.

Would that be a murky outcome? Crystal clear justification for the war? Enough ammo for opponents to hammer Bush with?

At this point, I wouldn't venture a guess either way.

72 posted on 04/20/2003 11:31:44 PM PDT by leftiesareloonie
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To: joesbucks
You were saying?
73 posted on 04/20/2003 11:42:04 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: leftiesareloonie
"Buliding blocks aren't weapons. Were these things weaponized or not? Were they deliverable? Were there only laboratory quantities? Suppose they were never weaponized? Would that make Iraq a "grave and gathering danger" justifying a pre-emptive war?"

Listening to several leading sources, we should redefine "pre-emptive" to mean "prevention."

Following a "prevention" model, could have avoided 9/11/2001.

In the run-up to attacking Iraq, I believe this was the logic. Regardless of the degree of development, the time had come to put a STOP to 12 years of playing games with Saddam.

The technical details don't matter much to me. The risk was (and is) that the materials could fall into very hostile hands.

I believe "prevention" is the correct paradigm. I further believe the US alone SHOULD decide, not waiting for France and the UN to approve whether or not a sufficiently "grave and present danger" exists.
74 posted on 04/20/2003 11:46:49 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: saquin
Here's the original
75 posted on 04/21/2003 12:05:30 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: bigwheel
The threat of Saddam's WMD was the linchpin of the argument used by the Bush administration to attempt to persuade the UN Security Council to threaten the multilateral use of force to drive Saddam from power.

The link between Saddam and Al Qaeda was all the justification we needed to retaliate after 9/11.

76 posted on 04/21/2003 12:28:46 AM PDT by Chunga
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To: HardStarboard
I've been visualizing a great big news conference/event, run by Powell, at the UN, for some time now. I think you are spot on.
77 posted on 04/21/2003 3:06:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: DB
Let's see where this goes. But even if transferred to Syria in the mid-90's, then Iraq had disarmed. They no longer were in possession of them.

I simply can't believe that just days before a war they knew were coming they would disarm. Rememember, these are nutcases that would have used, not hid, arms to stay in power

78 posted on 04/21/2003 3:32:35 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: John H K
Despite the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" moniker it's unlikely that Iraq using Chemical weapons would have killed many coalition soldiers or slowed down the fall of Baghdad by much.

Simply not that great if you have trouble delivering them effectively, and you're delivering them against troops trained in chemical warfare and with plenty of protective suits.

That makes sense. It explains why the regime would have destroyed them right before the war rather than try to use them against us.

Still though, I got very nervous whenever an air raid siren would go off in Kuwait.

79 posted on 04/21/2003 4:13:45 AM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick; Sister Rose
Most of the finds so far have been dismissed as "pesticides" or "agricultural use only". How big of an agriculture industry did Iraq have? Why were these "pesticides" found with military equipment?

I think that Centcom & the administration are keeping a lid on it until it's all found and accounted for. WMD is not the prime reason for taking Hussein out; terrorism is. WMD just makes it a more deadly brew. I think there's something to the stories that Blair kept the brakes on Bush going after Iraq immediately after 9/11. The UN circus enabled our force build up. We went when we were ready with or without the UN.

80 posted on 04/21/2003 4:29:39 AM PDT by Credo
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