Expulsion of the Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995

Hans Koschnik ^ | August 1999

[Karadjordje]

Place: Velika Kladuska, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	2,266	35
Bosnian Muslims	48,408	50,544
Bosnian Croats	740	190
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	52,908	50,769
(1) Census 1991, according to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. (2) According to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/velika/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Domaljevac Samac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,628	278
Bosnian Muslims	2,223	140
Bosnian Croats	14,731	6,540
other ethnic groups	2,368	60
Total	32,950	7,018
(1) Census 1991, according to UNHCR Population Figures from February 14, 1997. (2) According to UNHCR Population Figures from Febraury 14, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/domaljevac_samac/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Odzak, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	6,084	3
Bosnian Muslims	6,229	5,220
Bosnian Croats	16,229	11,121
other ethnic groups	1,740	-
Total	30,282	16,344
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ODZAK, July 1998; Republik Österreich - BKA IV/12, Koordinationsbüro Sarajevo, Stand 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/odzak/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Orasje, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,235	150
Bosnian Muslims	1,893	2,245
Bosnian Croats	21,308	22,619
other ethnic groups	931	-
Total	28,367	25,014
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ORASJE, February 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/orasje/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Banovici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,520	409
Bosnian Muslims	19,144	29,391
Bosnian Croats	531	566
other ethnic groups	2,393	212
Total	26,588	30,578
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of BANOVICI, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/banovici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kalesija, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,669	10
Bosnian Muslims	33,226	35,342
Bosnian Croats	33	2
other ethnic groups	867	-
Total	41,795	35,354
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of KALESIJA, Juli 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kalesija/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kladanj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,846	179
Bosnian Muslims	11,702	22,722
Bosnian Croats	12	-
other ethnic groups	480	-
Total	16,040	22,934
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government; ECMM, Background Report KLADANJ 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kladanj/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Lukavac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	12,281	296
Bosnian Muslims	37,866	47,601
Bosnian Croats	2,132	1,504
other ethnic groups	3,531	234
Total	56,830	49,635
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR / RIC, Municipality Information Fact Sheet LUKAVAC, July 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/lukavac/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Srebrenik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,326	348
Bosnian Muslims	30,595	44,734
Bosnian Croats	2,761	2,508
other ethnic groups	2,200	348
Total	40,882	47,938
(1) RIC, MIFS 1998. (2) TUZLA-PODRINJE KANTON, Ministerium für Arbeit, Soziales und Flüchtlinge, März 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/srebrenik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zivinice, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,350	606
Bosnian Muslims	44,580	65,202
Bosnian Croats	3,870	3,395
other ethnic groups	2,800	348
Total	54,600	69,551
(1) Census 1991 (2) SFOR, Population Data, October 1997 und DRC, Repatriation Project Information on the Municipality of ZIVINICE, June 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zivinice/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Breza, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	2,122	243
Bosnian Muslims	13,079	13,646
Bosnian Croats	851	521
other ethnic groups	1,265	163
Total	17,317	14,573
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR SARAJEVO: Assessment Report Federation BREZA, June 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/breza/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kakanj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,915	500
Bosnian Muslims	30,450	35,000
Bosnian Croats	16,645	4,500
other ethnic groups	3,850	250
Total	55,850	45,868
(1) Census 1991. (2) OHR, 01,06,1998; Return Plan; Zenicko-Dobojski Kanton, January 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kakanj_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Maglaj, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,298	164
Bosnian Muslims	19,637	21,238
Bosnian Croats	8,366	6,500
other ethnic groups	1,993	-
Total	43,294	28,000
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of MAGLAJ, July 1998; Republik Österreich - BKA IV/12, Koordinationsbüro Sarajevo, Stand 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/maglaj/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Olovo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,193	45
Bosnian Muslims	12,699	14,555
Bosnian Croats	642	550
other ethnic groups	422	164
Total	16,956	15,150
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR/RIC, Repatriation Information Report, March 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/olovo/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Vares, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,630	56
Bosnian Muslims	6,721	9,700
Bosnian Croats	8,982	3,500
other ethnic groups	2,781	37
Total	22,114	13,293
(1) Census 1991 (2) Figures provided by the local government, September 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/vares/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Visoko, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,471	700
Bosnian Muslims	34,373	44,277
Bosnian Croats	1,872	500
other ethnic groups	2,444	2,000
Total	46,160	47,477
(1) Census 1991 (2) UNHCR Updated Assessment Report, June 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/visoko/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zavidovici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	11,640	618
Bosnian Muslims	34,198	35,073
Bosnian Croats	7,576	1,013
other ethnic groups	3,750	200
Total	57,164	36,904
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ZAVIDOVICI, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zavidovici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Zenica, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	22,552	3,528
Bosnian Muslims	80,281	104,575
Bosnian Croats	22,626	10,405
other ethnic groups	19,900	1,528
Total	145,359	120,036
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ZENICA, September 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/zenica/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Foca (FBuH), Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	1,315	7
Bosnian Muslims	4,270	2,479
Bosnian Croats	-	-
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	5,585	2,486
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, December 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/foca_fbuh/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Praca, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	1,062	-
Bosnian Muslims	2,160	1,284
Bosnian Croats	2	-
other ethnic groups	-	-
Total	3,224	1,284
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of PRACA, October 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/praca/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bugojno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	8,854	400
Bosnian Muslims	19,724	28,474
Bosnian Croats	15,963	2,200
other ethnic groups	2,302	-
Total	46,843	31,074
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of BUGOJNO, November 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/bugonjo/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Donji Vakuf, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,533	47
Bosnian Muslims	13,509	12,740
Bosnian Croats	682	66
other ethnic groups	820	66
Total	24,544	12,853
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of DONJI VAKUF, March 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/donjvakuf_update/kap02.htm

Place: Novi Travnik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,097	879
Bosnian Muslims	11,649	12,469
Bosnian Croats	12,127	16,907
other ethnic groups	2,829	29
Total	30,702	30,284
(1) Census 1991. (2) ECMM, Background Report NOVI TRAVNIK, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/novi_travnik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Travnik, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,777	539
Bosnian Muslims	31,813	48,861
Bosnian Croats	26,118	9,144
other ethnic groups	5,039	823
Total	70,747	59,367
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local Croatian-Muslim government of NOVA BILA. http://www.bbs.bund.de/travnik/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Caplina, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,793	596
Bosnian Muslims	7,553	596
Bosnian Croats	15,001	28,108
other ethnic groups
Total	27,882	29,300
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR MOSTAR, CAPLJINA update, October 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/caplina_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kalesija, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7,669	10
Bosnian Muslims	33,226	35,342
Bosnian Croats	33	2
other ethnic groups	867	-
Total	41,795	35,354
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of KALESIJA, July 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kalesija/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Mostar, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,500	1,992
Bosnian Muslims	10,266	7,203
Bosnian Croats	33,500	47,255
other ethnic groups	8,175	793
Total	61,441	57,243
(1) Census 1991. (2) UNHCR, August 31, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/mostar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Mostar Sjever, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,041	20
Bosnian Muslims	6,358	10,897
Bosnian Croats	2,248	26
other ethnic groups	460	2
Total	14,107	10,945
(1) Repatriation Information Center, Municipality Information Fact Sheet (MIFS): MOSTAR-NORTH, Stand Oktober 1998. (2) Figures provided by the local government, May 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/mostar_sjever/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ravno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1999 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	621	-
Bosnian Muslims	32	8
Bosnian Croats	2,274	1,256
other ethnic groups	30	-
Total	2,957	1,264
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, Juni 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ravno_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Stolac, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,900	120
Bosnian Muslims	7,500	900
Bosnian Croats	6,400	11,000
other ethnic groups	500	30
Total	18,300	12,050
(1) Figures provided by the local government of STOLAC. (2) Figures provided by the local government of STOLAC, July 1998; IMG. http://www.bbs.bund.de/stolac_update/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Centar Sarajevo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	16,622	6,325
Bosnian Muslims	39,685	57,933
Bosnian Croats	5,411	4,922
other ethnic groups	17,287	2,044
Total	79,005	71,224
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of SARAJEVO, April 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/centar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Hadzici, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	6,391	650
Bosnian Muslims	15,399	18,530
Bosnian Croats	743	450
other ethnic groups	1,662	370
Total	24,195	20,000
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the mayor of HADZICI, July 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/hadzici/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ilidza, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	25,061	3,394
Bosnian Muslims	28,973	33,458
Bosnian Croats	6,914	2,856
other ethnic groups	6,490	-
Total	67,438	39,708
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, July 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ilidza/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Ilijas, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	11,325	425
Bosnian Muslims	10,585	12,372
Bosnian Croats	1,736	480
other ethnic groups	1,538	120
Total	25,184	13,397
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of ILIJAS, April 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/ilijas/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Novi Grad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	37,736	3,220
Bosnian Muslims	69,294	80,334
Bosnian Croats	8,883	3,898
other ethnic groups	20,380	3,447
Total	136,293	90,899
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of Novi Grad, 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/novi/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Stari Grad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	5,178	1,412
Bosnian Muslims	39,498	37,524
Bosnian Croats	1,315	3,262
other ethnic groups	4,753	764
Total	50,744	42,962
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of SARAJEVO, April 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/stari/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Vogosca, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	8,843	467
Bosnian Muslims	12,549	15,929
Bosnian Croats	1,074	293
other ethnic groups	2,241	70
Total	24,707	16,759
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, August 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/vogosca/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bosansko Grahovo, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	7888	150
Bosnian Muslims	12	0
Bosnian Croats	226	220
other ethnic groups	185	0
Total	8311	370
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government, 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/bosansko/index-bosansko.htm

Place: Drvar (FBuH) & Drvar (RS), Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	16,613	2,100
Bosnian Muslims	33	10
Bosnian Croats	34	8,000
other ethnic groups	399	43
Total	17,079	10,100
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by Special Representative (OHR) on DRVAR and by the UNHCR, Januar 1999. http://www.bbs.bund.de/drvar/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Glamoc, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	9,951	75
Bosnian Muslims	2,257	680
Bosnian Croats	184	3,501
other ethnic groups	201	-
Total	12,593	4,256
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of GLAMOC, Oktober 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/glamoc/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Kupres, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1996 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	4,905	0
Bosnian Muslims	769	250
Bosnian Croats	3,848	2,150
other ethnic groups	96	4
Total	9,618	2,500
(1) Census 1991. (2) OHR, 1996. http://www.bbs.bund.de/kupres/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Livno, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	3,782	200
Bosnian Muslims	5,927	3,200
Bosnian Croats	28,456	28,456
other ethnic groups	1,361	0
Total	39,526	39,400
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of LIVNO, Oktober 1998. http://www.bbs.bund.de/livno/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Tomislavgrad, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1997 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	576	0
Bosnian Muslims	3,148	2,500
Bosnian Croats	25,976	24,165
other ethnic groups	309	833
Total	30,009	27,498
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government of TOMISLAVGRAD, Dezember 1997. http://www.bbs.bund.de/tomislavgrad/bevoelkerung.htm

Place: Bosanska Krupa, Bosnia
Ethnicity	1991 (1)	1998 (2)
Bosnian Serbs	13,129	75
Bosnian Muslims	22,281	23,673
Bosnian Croats	116	41
other ethnic groups	1,064	567
Total	36,609	24,356
(1) Census 1991. (2) Figures provided by the local government. http://www.bbs.bund.de/krupa/bevoelkerung.htm

Hans Koschnik, Beauftragter der Deutschen Bundesregierung für Flüchtlingsrückkehr, Wiedereingliederung und rückkehrbegleitenden Wiederaufbau in Bosnien und Herzegowina (<- click)

(Homepage of Hans Koschnik, commissary of the German government for the return of the refugees in Bosnia)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries."

16 Apr 2003

"More than 4,000 still missing four years after Kosovo conflict

Belgrade (dpa) - The United Nations administration in Kosovo (UNMIK) said Wednesday that so far 145 out of 4,000 bodies exhumed in the province since the end of the war have been identified, the private Beta news agency reported.

A total of 4,300 people have been reported missing since 1999, most of them ethnic Albanians, said chief of the UNMIK department for missing persons, Jose Pablo Baraibar.

The list was not yet fully 'consolidated' and UNMIK has been working on it with Belgrade, he said.

According to available data, 909 of the missing were non-Albanians, but the figure was expected to rise, as Serbs recently added another 350 names to it.

Barabair said no mass graves have been found in Kosovo, the site of a bloody conflict between Belgrade's security forces and ethnic Albanian guerrillas in 1998 and 1999, but that more individual burial sites were expected to be found.

The fighting was accompanied by a wave of terror by the security forces and outright expulsions of civilians which led to an exodus of refugees to Albania and Macedonia.

The conflict was ended after NATO bombed Slobodan Milosevic's regime into accepting an international peacekeeping presence in June 1999."

dpa bb bg

Copyright (c) dpa Deutsche Presse-Agentur GmbH

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"The US Gov't never made such a claim. The true number is on the order of 5,000 at the hands of the Serb paramilitaries."

2 lies in 2 sentences, and your face don't turn red.

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

I'll accept your figure of 3000 Albanians. That drops it to the equivalent of oh, 2 million Americans by proportion.

What's remarkable was the numbers of people who *weren't* killed by Serb paramilitaries. Because we showed up and put them out of business.

My face don't turn red when I tell the truth.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"I'll accept your figure of 3000 Albanians. That drops it to the equivalent of oh, 2 million Americans by proportion."

"[...] the US said that between 2,000 and 3,000 Iraqis had been killed in the three-hour incursion into the city on Saturday, by the 3rd Infantry Division and two squadrons of tanks."

The Independent, Baghdad braced for the assault, 07 April 2003 (<- click)

The U.S. Government kills as many as 3,000 people in 3 hours- rate of upto 1,000 people per hour. The U.S. Government killed more Iraqis in that 3 hours than Albanians killed by Serbs for the entire 2 years of the Kosovo war, right?

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

Okay, djeorgie, let's expand your English vocabulary! - Let's go to www.dictionary.com. Look up the definitions of the following words: "Civilian" and "Military."

[homeagain balkansvet]

Also, while you're at it, the words "genocide" and "combat."

Not all battle deaths are equal. Some are worse than others.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"...hands of the Serb paramilitaries."

Do you know the article "The Cruelest Cleansings" (<- click)

Ooooh, be careful, it's again a Serbian site...ooohh...

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Okay, djeorgie, let's expand your English vocabulary! - Let's go to www.dictionary.com. Look up the definitions of the following words: "Civilian" and "Military.""

145 are identified, hm.
You would say, that they all were civilians?
Hm, all Albanien?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Not all battle deaths are equal. Some are worse than others."

Oh, that you don't have to exlpain to me - 1,900 Muslim Fighters who slaughtered 1,200 Serbs are worse than these 1,200 Serb Civilians, I know.

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Look up the definitions of the following words: "Civilian" and "Military.""

So let us loot to Rudare, Kosovo:

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Look up the definitions of the following words: "Civilian" and "Military.""

So Let us loot to Rudare, Kosovo:

AP, April 15, 2002

"Serbs look for evidence about relatives believed killed in Kosovo

By DRAGAN ILIC, Associated Press Writer

RUDARE, Yugoslavia - Hundreds of relatives of Serbs missing since the end of Kosovo´s war examined clothes, wedding rings and cigarette cases Sunday, hoping to determine the fate of loved ones believed slain in the province.

Families streamed into a pair of tents erected near a motel in southern Serbia to view items U.N. forensics investigators uncovered after the fighting ended in 1999. The relatives donned surgical masks to guard against infection while looking at items found with 360 corpses unearthed at sites throughout the southern Yugoslav province.

Some 1,300 Serbs have been reported missing since former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic ´s 1998-1999 crackdown on ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. Most of those people are presumed to be dead.

U.N. officials in recent months have promised to do more to determine the fate of the missing, both Serbs and ethnic Albanians. An estimated 3,000 ethnic Albanians are also still unaccounted for nearly three years after NATO bombing halted Milosevic´s crackdown and drove out Yugoslav government forces.[...]"

"Wiping away tears, Sasa Ristanovic recognized a blue shirt his father, Momcilo, wore June 17, 1999, the day he disappeared in the Kosovo city of Prizren.
'Now I know what I felt for years,' he said. 'My father was killed and dumped in a grave.'"(AP)

Karadjordje

[homeagain balkansvet]

Once the 8000 were CAPTURED, they ceased to be combatants, and your Serb bretheren had a DUTY to protect them. In violating that duty, they shot their own cause in the brain with a shotgun. You should hate them more than I, djordjie, because they cost the Serbs the war. THEY LOST IT FOR YOU, pal. Deal with it.

[homeagain balkansvet]

I've seen 4000 of the 8000 MURDERED POWs from Srebrenica, pal. Their stench is as foul. I won't mock the poor folks in this picture, but the fact is, YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Look up the definitions of the following words: 'Civilian' and 'Military.'"

So let's look to another place: Dragodan, Kosovo:

From 'Blic,' Belgrade, Yugoslavia (Serbian Newspaper)

August 22, 2000

"UNMIK sends invitations to families of disappeared Serbs 160 bodies found in Pristina

PRISTINA - In the Pristina suburb of Dragodan 160 bodies have been found which are suspected to be victims of Albanian terrorists during the past year, since the deployment of UNMIK and KFOR, Blic has learned from members of families of kidnapped and missing Serbs and Romanies who received invitations to identify the discovered bodies. Vesna Mulici identified the body of her husband, Ramo Mulici, whose body was among those exhumed at Dragodan.

'I saw many identity cards with the names of Serbs and photographs while I was attempting to identify the belongings of my husband,' she told Blic. At UNMIK headquarters no one wished to either confirm or deny this information but a invitation was repeated for relatives and friends of the missing and kidnapped to come to Pristina and help the Committee for Missing and Disappeared Persons to identify 159 more bodies found at Dragodan.Strong KFOR forces until recently secured this gravesite and prevented uncontrolled entry to the Dragodan cemetery."

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

hey bro, you want me to visit Srebrenica next week? You tell me "where the bodies" are and I will upload the pics to my site... what are the grids, boy?

[homeagain balkansvet]

The Tuzla City Morgue had built for it a large temporary structure in its parking lot, the International Identification Center for Victims of the Srebrenica Massacre. Just drive to the east end of the city and take a deep whiff.... then follow your nose. The stench is inescapable.

If you can't find it, stop by the basketball stadium on Juzhnaja Magistrala, where the International Commission on Missing Persons set up shop in the former shopping center there. Knock the door and ask directions. They'll probably tell you to drive to the east end of the city....

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Look up the definitions of the following words: 'Civilian' and 'Military.'"

So let's again look to another place: Suva Reka, Kosovo:

Serb delegation from Belgrade visits Suva Reka/Suharekë

On Wednesday, 25 July, members of the Belgrade-based Contact Group on Missing Persons, accompanied by Serbian journalists, visited one of UNMIK's burial grounds for unidentified persons located in Suva Reka/Suharekë. The visit was organized by the UNMIK Office of Human Rights and Community Affairs (OHRCA) in an effort to dispel a rumour circulating in the Serbian press that a new mass grave containing up to 800 bodies of Kosovo Serbs had been found at Suva Reka/Suharekë.

The fact is that the 188 graves at the UNMIK gravesite in Suva Reka/Suharekë contain unidentified bodies exhumed and reburied in 2000 by the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). The Suva Reka/Suharekë gravesite contains no new bodies and no new mass grave has been uncovered in Kosovo.

Of the 3,900 bodies exhumed by ICTY, 1,256 remain unidentified. These bodies have been reburied in the municipalities where they were found, either in UNMIK graveyards like the one at Suva Reka/Suharekë or in municipal graveyards. The visit to Suva Reka/Suharekë allowed the Serbian delegation to see the situation for themselves.

Susan Manuel, UNMIK Spokesperson, who accompanied the delegation, assured them that the bodies were at no risk. 'Each community knows that these bodies could belong to them so they are very respectful of the graves,' she said.

Gradimir Nalic, Advisor to the President of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia on the issue of missing persons, was part of the delegation that came from Belgrade. 'I'm glad that UNMIK allowed us to come see the site and we see that it has a fence and the graves are marked and mapped,' he said. 'The new government of Yugoslavia is trying to raise the level of cooperation with UNMIK on the issue of missing persons. Whether these unidentified people are Albanian, Roma or Serbian, is not the point. What's important is finding out who they are and letting their families know,' he continued.

Finding Kosovo's missing is one of UNMIK's top priorities. On Tuesday, 24 July, SRSG Hans Haekkerup signed an agreement with the Sarajevo-based International Commission on Missing Persons (ICMP), an organization funded by the US State Department, to begin working together and using DNA testing to further efforts to match unidentified bodies with their families.

The collaboration with ICMP will give UNMIK access to DNA testing and sophisticated computer software to match post-mortem and ante-mortem data. The matching of post- mortem data (items collected from the body) with ante- mortem data (information taken from families) is how bodies are identified.

From now on all work on identifying missing persons will be handled by UNMIK Police's Missing Persons Unit (MPU), who will work in tandem with the ICMP. In addition to the 1,256 ICTY bodies, the MPU and ICMP will work on identifying bodies from 33 soon-to-be-excavated gravesites in Kosovo and bodies from recently discovered mass graves in Serbia.

'Although we will have sophisticated new methods at our disposal for identifying bodies, this is still not a guarantee,' says Monique Fienberg, Officer-in-Charge at OHRCA. 'The most important step remains for each family missing someone to come forward to the police and give as much information as possible about their loved one. This information, called ante-mortem data, is the key to identifying bodies. Without this, even the most sophisticated methods in the world won't work.'

In an appeal to those in Gracanica to stop their hunger strike over missing persons, Susan Manuel said: 'We have heard your message and we are doing all we can. It is slow-going, but there is no conspiracy.'"

UNMIK news No. 103 (<- click)

July 21, 2001

"Suva Reka mass grave exists, Committee for Kosovo confirms

Belgrade, July 21 - The Federal Committee for Kosovo-Metohija Subcommittee for missing persons Vladimir Bozovic confirmed on Friday that he had received from the UNMIK data on the existence of a mass grave in Suva Reka, containing 850-900 bodies.

At the meeting of the joint commission of the UNMIK and the Federal Committee in Pristina, the representatives of the Interim Administration Mission in Kazoo showed us an official document containing information on the mass grave in Suva Reka, Bozovic told the Radio B92.

[...]

Some UNMIK officials denied on Friday the report on the mass grave in Suva Reka, claming there was no mass grave and that the statement of the head of the Missing and Detained Persons , Monique Feinberg, had been misinterpreted.

The Radio B92, repeats, however, Feinberg's statement that there was 'a much larger and enclosed mass grave in Suva Reka.'

'Some 850-900 bodies have been buried there. The corpses are unidentified, which means that we have no way of knowing the identities of the buried. They could belong to any ethnicity; however, we suspect those are the bodies of the Serbs and members of minority communities,' Feinberg said. [...]"

www.serbia-info.com/news (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Look up the definitions of the following words: 'Civilian' and 'Military.'"

So let's again look to another place: Gnilanje, Kosovo:

"[...] A UN war crimes tribunal team was investigating Wednesday a grave in eastern Kosovo containing 11 corpses, some of which were identified as Serbian, a spokesman for the Kosovo peacekeeping force said. The US-led Multinational Brigade of the Kosovo peacekeeping force (KFOR) discovered the grave Tuesday in Ugljare, five kilometers (three miles) south of Gnilane, KFOR spokesman Roland Lavoie said. [...]"

AFP, August 02, 1999

As far as I know - please correct me - they closed this very first (08/1999) mass grave after further investiagtion.

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Once the 8000 were CAPTURED, they ceased to be combatants, and your Serb bretheren had a DUTY to protect them. In violating that duty, they shot their own cause in the brain with a shotgun. You should hate them more than I, djordjie, because they cost the Serbs the war. THEY LOST IT FOR YOU, pal. Deal with it."

Go to www.google.com (<- click) and type in:

1) "Srebrenica"
2) "Ibran"
3) "Mustafic"
5) "Slobodna"
6) "Bosna"

And while you are at it, search:

1) "Srebrenica"
2) "Drazen"
3) "Erdemovic"

Who are this people?

Karadjordje

[wardaddy]

The pastes and clips and whatnot the opposing sides in this perpetual FR battle are way way beyond my knowledge.

My sympathies...admittedly flawed from a purely objective viewpoint ...are very subjective. I prefer to trust Christians(since I am one) and Jews over Muslims in this day and age and the Serbs have been at this game of battling Islamic hegemony a lot longer than we have.

Are the Serbs choirboys? Hardly....some are downright awful.

You constantly opine that had the Serbs not engaged in hostilities in Bosnia then none of this would have happened. I haven't a clue but if that is true it would fly in the face of historical precedent.

It also appears that who is doing most of the dying and being displaced over there now are Serbs...in Kosovo particularly.....is that the victory we wanted?

You were there. You have your opinions. Are they true or are they justification exercises? Other folks who were there are not as one sided against the Serbs as you are...why?

Seems like a big mess to me. You guys can fight it out.

I'll just stick to my unease with it all...and I had that from the getgo....and now seeing how Wesley Clark behaved himself recently, I can't say much has changed my mind.

My opinions are not intended to diminish your carrying out your duty which is to be greatly admired by anyone in this country.