"Maybe the problem is that too many Freepers AREN'T really conservative and they get their panties in a bundle when a real conservative shows up and puts them to shame."
Uh huh. Yep, that must be it. And a TRUE conservative, one can presume, has the following qualities: integrity, intellectual honesty and a conservative value-system.
Your gal had NONE of these, if behavior on these boards is any indication. She trolled threads to cause dissent and take the threads off topic. She made herself the center of attention...and played the Drama Queen to the hilt.
She would,
1) make an inflammatory statement;
2) illicit responses;
3) twist or misstate those responses;
4) and when the poster(s) attempted to correct the spun or twisted response(s), jael would claim victim status and ping the moderator or JimR to defend her.
5)If that tactic didn't fully get her the attention she desired, she would claim to have inside influence with the owner of this forum.
VERY dishonest and without the integrity expected from your so-called TRUE conservative. I can say this with a perfectly straight face and surety in my heart, jael reaped what she sowed----big time.
So please.....do NOT play the 'true conservative' card on this topic. If you think she was so wronged.....follow her out the door. Your defense of the indefensible is pretty pathetic.
Gee. Your description fits a certain poster from the past to a tee. Must have registered under a new name. Send me a privemail and I will tell you the former screenname and you can then see if you agree.
Will be interesting to compare, yes. You have FRmail.
X: I do know Jael from several forums, for several years. So what?
<< Did you follow her here from the Witch Forum that she said she's from? >>
Can't ANY of you talk about Jael without LYING through your teeth? She was never part of any "Witch Forum" and never claimed she was.
She did post *against* witchcraft on an Alabama NEWSPAPER forum that had become infiltrated by witches.
<< Successful politics is not about being rigid unless you're an authoritarian like Saddam Hussein and can enforce your political views at the point of a gun. Politics in the United States is a about flexibility and persuasion--even more so in the post-Clinton polarized world in which we live. No candidate for president can hope to win (and actually have a chance to meaningfully influence the course of important matters) unless that candidate shows an ability to be flexible. >>
You sound like a liberal Democrat. Whatever happened to standing for what's RIGHT and VIRTUE being its own reward?
You have succumbed to the politics of compromise, which got us on the downward spiral we're on. People would rather shift to being WRONG so they can *win* instead of standing for RIGHT no matter what. I don't know what kind of *win* that is. It got us a "conservtive Republican" President who has named six sodomites to his staff, has done nothing to quell abortion, and now is bailing out on gun rights. That's what this "flexibility" is getting us.
And when you get someone who stands for what they believe in, without compromise, like Jael, you panty-waisted compromisers blow your fuses. How pathetic for a bunch of men to get beat up by a girl who has more guts than all of you put together. You can't refute her, so you must get her removed from the forum. No doubt I'm next on your list.
<< And a TRUE conservative, one can presume, has the following qualities: integrity, intellectual honesty and a conservative value-system. >>
I guess that means you finally recognize that GW Bush is not a true conservative. If a value system that includes surrounding one's self with a septet of sodomites and rubber-stamping Clinton's policies on abortion, gun-control, and environmentalism, and exceeding Clinton in government spending and control is a "conservative" value system, then I resign as a conservative.
<< She would, 1) make an inflammatory statement; >>
The TRUTH usually is imflammatory. The other points you made were simply your *opinion* - not to be confused with fact or truth.
It's odd though, how somebody standing for what they believe is castigated as being "inflammatory", but you guys mock her as a troll, a "drama queen", and impugn her honesty, and THAT is *not* inflammatory on your parts? It's not only inflammatory, but hypocritical.
<< So please.....do NOT play the 'true conservative' card on this topic. If you think she was so wronged.....follow her out the door. >>
Mom, is that you? I don't know who else would presume to boss me around like that (and my mom hasn't herself in over 20 years).
I may get thrown out the door, but I will not leave willingly because a bunch of tender maids can't handle the heat in the kitchen.
Don't be so obtuse. Read all his/her posts on the thread, I'm not wasting bandwidth to put it all here (though I will if anyone else would like).
<< Don't be so obtuse. Read all his/her posts on the thread, >>
No, if you are trying to prove she is pro-witch, or from a "Witch Forum", or whatever, it is incumbent on you to provide the evidence - not to expext others to wade through 400 posts. Give the post (or a few) that give the best evidence for your slanderous claims. If you can't, you'll deservedly be exposed as a slanderer, liar, and devoid of character.
I think the reason you won't post anything but general innuendos to defend your claims is that you HAVE no evidence for your claims. Prove me wrong.
To: Jael; JenB
Do you believe spell-casting magical witches and wizards really exist?
223 posted on 11/15/2002 7:46 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I actually know a few.
229 posted on 11/15/2002 7:50 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
You actually know people who can perform magic and cast spells?
235 posted on 11/15/2002 7:55 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Jael
I actually know a few.
You know a few people who claim to be witches. Did any of them actually ever cast a real spell; Like turning a prince into a frog?
236 posted on 11/15/2002 7:57 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts
Frogs into princes are not real spells.
If you want to talk to some real witches, and ask them if they are real or not, go here.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/67989 249 posted on 11/15/2002 8:06 PM PST by Jael
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To: Denver Ditdat
Go ask them. Some are chatting right now. And a warlock is not a male witch. It's someone who has betrayed the coven.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Chat/37643 250 posted on 11/15/2002 8:08 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
What is a real witch? What is a real spell? - Can they do magic?
252 posted on 11/15/2002 8:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Go and ask them.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Chat/37643 253 posted on 11/15/2002 8:11 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
I don't want to ask them, I am asking you. You said you know witches. What magic can they do?
255 posted on 11/15/2002 8:13 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
A few witches are waiting to talk to you. Head on over.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Chat/37643 256 posted on 11/15/2002 8:14 PM PST by Jael
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To: HairOfTheDog
Come on. They are waiting. One is a well known occult writer. Tarostar.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Chat/37643 257 posted on 11/15/2002 8:16 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael; All
Go ask them.
I wouldn't suggest this be done carelessly. Demons lurk all over this world.
258 posted on 11/15/2002 8:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HairOfTheDog
One of the Witches wants to know why you would think it isn't real.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789874/posts?page=255#255 263 posted on 11/15/2002 8:20 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
I have no cause to believe someone on some internet board somewhere is a witch because they say so. They could tell me they just turned their brother into a frog. Then what have we proved?
My question to you is this. You are a Christian. You believe that witches exist. You believe you know some. Why? What proof have you seen that they possess or can wield actual magic?
264 posted on 11/15/2002 8:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Jael
All your links require that I log in to see these posts. I have no intention of logging in to that site. Or any site that tries to get me to download Gator.
267 posted on 11/15/2002 8:23 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ThinkDifferent
YOu are welcome to come and ask a witch yourself.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Chat/37643 269 posted on 11/15/2002 8:24 PM PST by Jael
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To: HairOfTheDog
you can sign in as a guest, just ignore the pop ups. they are real witches.
274 posted on 11/15/2002 8:27 PM PST by Jael
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am. YOu can post questions to some real witches at www.nola.com, in the religion forum. Or al.com in the religion forum
278 posted on 11/15/2002 8:29 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
I have told you in no uncertain terms that I have no interest in logging in to some site somewhere to talk to people who claim to be witches. That would prove nothing. I could claim to be God. It wouldn't make it so.
I have asked you why you believed in witches, because I was mildly curious. You have given me the run-around by repeatedly pointing me to some obscure message board instead.
I am now bored.
281 posted on 11/15/2002 8:33 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Listen, just log in as a guest at the chat, ask them
283 posted on 11/15/2002 8:35 PM PST by Jael
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To: HairOfTheDog
Listen, these people are real. Read their message board.
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/67989 286 posted on 11/15/2002 8:37 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Why chat with the witches? Are you chatting with the witches about this thread? I mean it, seriously.
288 posted on 11/15/2002 8:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HairOfTheDog
One witch who posts at www.nola.com on the Religion forum is in a coven that actually has a public ministry in NOLA. YOu don't have to believe me. But they are real.
291 posted on 11/15/2002 8:39 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Jael, although we seem to be on the same side in the Harry Potter thread discussion, I'm a little concerned that you are pointing people to what you would seem to call a witches website. Aren't you essentially doing the same thing that you and I have been arguing that the Harry Potter media does (i.e, gets people interested in witchcraft)? Just wanted to point that out to you.
295 posted on 11/15/2002 8:43 PM PST by power2
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To: Jael
Listen, just log in as a guest at the chat, ask them
Why would you try to persuade someone to expose themselves to this kind of evil (which you assert is not a fiction but real) with one post when you posted earlier about the evils of going to view a fiction movie?
You're asking someone to participate, as it were, in real evil. What if someone goes over there and falls under a spell? How do we know you haven't fallen under a spell over there?
298 posted on 11/15/2002 8:46 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Jael
"One of the Witches wants to know why you would think it isn't real." - post 263
I'd assume that particular witch is not reading FR right now. How did he or she know Hair is asking?
299 posted on 11/15/2002 8:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Jael
They keep saying witches are not real. I am telling them that they are.
You are being deceptive. This isn't about whether real witches exist. Its about whether you know real withces.
301 posted on 11/15/2002 8:46 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts
They don't worship Satan at all, none of the ones I have ever talked to do.
They are real witches.
302 posted on 11/15/2002 8:47 PM PST by Jael
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To: ET(end tyranny)
No. I posted on a forum where they started coming. :-)
Listen, they will answer your questions, just go ask.
305 posted on 11/15/2002 8:50 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
They are real witches.
How do you know if you never seen them cast a spell? You visit the site, which I find it interesting for a Christian. What exactly is your relationship with these witches?
307 posted on 11/15/2002 8:51 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts
I would say they like me very much, that's for sure.
311 posted on 11/15/2002 8:55 PM PST by Jael
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To: CharacterCounts
Look, not all of them are witches. Just go and ask one.
322 posted on 11/15/2002 9:03 PM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
What is with you and this site? Stop it! - We are not interested!
324 posted on 11/15/2002 9:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Prodigal Son
I'm sorry, there are a lot of posts flying back and forth and I didn't mean to ignore you. Please forgive me if I appeared to do so.
I have to go to sleep now. I will answer you tomorrow after the football game if that is ok?
Goodnight and sleep well. :-)
363 posted on 11/15/2002 9:33 PM PST by Jael
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NOTE: AFTER THIS HITECHREDNECK ACTUALLY WRITES OUT THE "OUR FATHER"
POST 365
To: FreedomAvatar
I don't think it works that way...... but ask one. YOu can post on the www.nola.com religion forum and get about five to answer you post haste.
368 posted on 11/15/2002 9:37 PM PST by Jael
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To: CharacterCounts
"But at about post 280 it started getting a lot more fun when Jael said he knew a few witches."
I am a she. :-)
Listen, any time you want to ask them, you can log on to
http://www.al.com/forums/religion/ and ask them. Some are professionals. One person who posts there is a noted occult author and occult expert. YOu can look him up on the internet.
One witch who posts there is involved in a public witch ministry.
They are not ashamed and will converse with you about their abilities and beliefs. :-)
376 posted on 11/15/2002 9:45 PM PST by Jael
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To: Denver Ditdat
I regret that I wasn't clearer about the witches. It isn't just some web site where a few people who could say anything hang out. I just thought that would be a good place to find a few.
Several of these people are publically involved in Witchcraft, and I know people who have met them, and I personally know a few myself.
380 posted on 11/15/2002 9:48 PM PST by Jael
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To: Harvestmoon
Check your freepmail.
513 posted on 11/16/2002 8:57 PM PST by Jael
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To: Harvestmoon
At the top of your screen it says my mail. click on the link
516 posted on 11/16/2002 9:06 PM PST by Jael
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To: Cocoagirl
I didn't do it. No one I know of has the power to do that. I already wrote an admin. asking why. I think it is wrong. She came here because people said witches are not real, and i told them there are real ones. She didn't say or do anything wrong.
523 posted on 11/16/2002 9:29 PM PST by Jael
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To: Cocoagirl
I'm glad she came. I am ashamed that Freerepublic pulled her after one post saying "I am the witch who has the public ministry and prison ministry."
I was the one who told people that didn't believe to talk to her. She wasn't here trying to start any trouble.
525 posted on 11/16/2002 9:38 PM PST by Jael
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Hey, didn't you forget to ping JR so you can start whining about being attacked?
Now what did all that prove? It proved EXACTLY what I said (twice). She posted on an Alabama newspaper religion forum that became overrun by professing witches. She did not come from a "Witch Forum". She is not defending witches or withcraft - she is OPPOSING them.
She believes witches exist - the Bible says they do, perhaps you are a Bible infidel?
She invited those of you who doubted them to chat with them for yourselves - an offer which you all predictably fled from. Why flee something you don't believe exists? LOOK OUT! The Easter Bunny is chasing you! Run for your life!
You think witches don't exist? Come to the state prison in Waupun, Wisconsin. A professing witch is a chaplain there (their other chaplain is a Muslim).
You posted a lot of stuff to try and look impressive, but NONE of it indicated any wrongdoing by Jael.
