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Posted on 04/19/2003 2:05:26 PM PDT by ASTM366
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To: the_daug
"They shoulda known we were gonna murder them, so therefore the fault is all theirs!" -Anarcho-loons
To: _Jim
"When the fires were lit by the Davidians it was THEN that the blodd of the women and children were on thje HANDS of "David Death'. "
It would seem you protest to much. Guilty are you?
To: ContentiousObjector
The fire was started by the cult members, not the feds.
the fire was started by feds. DO you believe the feds reports?
To: _Jim
Vernnon Howel was dangerous cause the BATF screwed up. Instead of doing law enforcement they were doing Lawlessness
On the first point you are incorrect - Vernon Wayne Howell 'resisted' in a most forceful manner, without regard for the people 'in his care' (the 'stockpiling' and issuance to d*mn near every person over the age of 15 in that compound a weapon with live ammo is the sign of Saddam-class lunacy *plus* the stockpiling of explosives for *no* legitimate purpose in the same building which over a hundred people lived was eually Saddam-class *insane*)
On your second point you are incorrect - the lawlessness rested fully with Vernon Wayne Howell and the adults in that compound - the exercise of bad judgement on the part of the BATF in the planning of the raid, the exercising of the raid is another issue.
Vernon Howell could have been apprahended in a manner that would have spared us the tragedy. BATF wanted a show. It was brodcast on TV.
To: OutSpot
I wil NEVER FORGET WACO!
To: _Jim
"Are you TOTALLY UNAWARES of the commitment Koresh made to DEATH in this Armageddon event?"
I am aware that my government made a mistake in Waco.
To: _Jim
"Are you TOTALLY UNAWARES of the commitment Koresh made to DEATH in this Armageddon event?"
I am aware that my government made a mistake in Waco.
To: Cultural Jihad
Oh, so all the men women and children who died were just
loons???
Perhaps one day you'll think something the government doesn't like and they'll come after you, too. And they'll lay seige to your family and your friends and your house and your neighborhood and finally burn you to death.
Some people say that it would serve you right if no one came to your aid. But you are lucky there are those of us who speak out and fight against this kind of abuse, even for people like you.
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:27:06 PM PDT
by
FirstTomato
("Women and Cats will do as they please. Men and dogs had better get used to it." Robert Heinlein)
To: ContentiousObjector
"Fact: The cult had assembled a massive arsenal of weapons many of which were illegal,..."All of the weapons possesed by the Davidians were found to be perfectly legal, tax stamps and all.How many weapons does it take to create an "arsenal"? I need to know so that I can get rid of a few so that I'm not over the limit.
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:28:26 PM PDT
by
wcbtinman
(Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked.))
Comment #250 Removed by Moderator
To: FirstTomato
** yawn **
To: _Jim
DO you believe the feds reports?
To: FreeSpeechZone
The fire was started by the cult members, not the feds.
You state the obvious.
To: Lurker
The Feds didn't have a warrant when they 'raided' the Davidians home.A judge hadn't signed an order huh?
Now THAT would be criminal.
Somehow, though, I think you're trying to play 'word games' with us - like Bill Clintoon used to do - and mislead us into believing NO warrant existed!
Silly you - you're trying to lie!
Federal arrest warrant for VWH case number W93-17m (for Vernon Wayne Howell aka David Koresh) was issued in believe that he was in unlawful possession of an unregistered destructive device in violation of 26 USC. Federal Search Warrant Case Number W93-15M (for Mount Carmel Center) was issued on the probable cause to believe that unregistered machineguns and destructive devices were being concealed in violation of both 18 and 26 USC.
See - you WERE trying to play word games with us (or WERE you trying to simply lie?)!
From: http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/waco-affidavit.html
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:30:45 PM PDT
by
_Jim
(y)
To: Cultural Jihad
You are indeed pretty boring.
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:32:25 PM PDT
by
FirstTomato
("Women and Cats will do as they please. Men and dogs had better get used to it." Robert Heinlein)
To: ASTM366
David Koresh, a foul mass-murdering madman, suckered the feds into overreacting and providing him cover for igniting his insane private Armageddon. The feds, under the wrteched Reno, deserve contempt for the heavy-handed and foolish way they reacted. But in the final analysis, the blood-guilt is on Koresh's demon claws.
To: _Jim
Well, Jim, I respect your authority (natch, lol) but I simply fail to see why you eliminated my post, which simply condemned the fascist thinking of one of the other posters.
But I bow to your greater wisdom.
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:35:34 PM PDT
by
FirstTomato
("Women and Cats will do as they please. Men and dogs had better get used to it." Robert Heinlein)
To: ASTM366
The search warrant
was due process and the Davidians had no right to resist it by force.
Now let's say that the Davidians did fire in self defense during the initial entry: I don't believe it for an instant but lets's say it for the sake of argument.
Their continued resistance after the agents withdrew still put the Davidians on the wrong side of the law.
No, the Davidians were the authors of their own demise and there's no other conclusion that reasonable people can reach.
I believe there were grave mistakes made by the Justice Dept. and some top brass, but these mistakes did not give the Davidians the right to resist by force.
The only place that they could legally have battled was in the federal courts.
The Davidians, not the federal agents on the scene, were the bad guys.
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:36:30 PM PDT
by
quidnunc
(Omnis Gaul delenda est)
To: FirstTomato
Boring is having the late Koresh loon expound upon his Seven Seals for seven months.
To: FreeSpeechZone
DO you believe the feds reports?Those 'experts' who did the work - do I trust their work do you mean?
The work/reports I've examined look sane - no obvious or even any subtle attepmts to 'snow' or mislead a non-technical or public audience.
A lot of this work/these reports also got published in other professional science and forensic journals by the people who did the reports - and THESE things get 'peer reviewed by others in the same technical field - sort of a FreeRepublic-type review - before being published ... people's reputations (just like on FR) can get made or 'damaged' by publishing fabricated un-scientific works - so there is some 'pressure' to do things right or someone will 'call' the author on it!
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posted on
04/19/2003 7:37:21 PM PDT
by
_Jim
(y)
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