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BABI: Another Anti-Life Genetic Baby Package
Catholic Family News ^ | APRIL 2003 ISSUE | Randy Engel

Posted on 04/18/2003 11:33:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

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More evidence of a world gone mad.
1 posted on 04/18/2003 11:33:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
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To: MHGinTN; hocndoc; Coleus; Remedy; Victoria Delsoul; RLK; Canticle_of_Deborah; Mr. Silverback; ...

2 posted on 04/18/2003 11:36:12 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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Important related links by this author:

POPULATION CONTROL, THE FINAL SOLUTION (1 of 3)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3926ba0b3bfa.htm

A Eugenics Primer
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3840573f5cda.htm

Bp. McHugh / Cardinal Trujillo Connection
http://www.motherswatch.org/McHuTrujillo.htm
3 posted on 04/18/2003 11:43:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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'take home baby.'

This phrase shows the mentality behind this. For them, it's like ordering fried rice and egg rolls to go.

4 posted on 04/19/2003 12:03:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Desdemona
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5 posted on 04/19/2003 12:03:51 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: cpforlife.org
In England, these tiny human beings are permitted to live up until the 14th day before being destroyed.

Developers of the artificial womb believe that, in the future, it may be possible to grow all babies in laboratory hatcheries. Women will no longer be 'inconvenienced' by pregnancy for nine months and they won't have to worry about raising a 'defective' product.

The Virgin Mary foretold this in one of her apparitions.

6 posted on 04/19/2003 12:11:45 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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The March of Dimes: A Time for Reassessment
http://www.petersnet.net/browse/4421.htm

by Randy Engel, Founder and National Director of the United States Coalition for Life, exposes the anti-life agenda of the March of Dimes and proposes a plan of action to oppose the MOD's eugenics policies.
7 posted on 04/19/2003 12:13:19 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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Many women who undergo BABI have already had multiple late-term abortions for eugenic reasons.

This one also gave me the shudders...

8 posted on 04/19/2003 12:17:36 AM PDT by stands2reason
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In the words of Dr. Robert G. Edwards, considered the father of IVF, "BABI is not abortion. It is the pre-clinical abortion of blighted ova." First, the demonically inspired must build their evil upon a lie. The term 'blighted ova' is just such a lie, and there are ancillary lies--I'll get to those in a second. Once fertilization has happened, the new 46 chromosome individual life has begun and the first cell division has occurred, the ova no longer exists ... what was an ova and a spermatazoon has been combined to conceive a new individual human life, not the haploid ova nor the haploid spermatazoon but a new individual. [Haploid refers to 'half of the 46 chromosomes of a complete individual']

Notice how Dr. Edwards makes a contradictory statement?... 'BABI is not abortion, it is pre-clinical abortion?' The reason for this double speak goes to the heart of the demonic inspiration: embryology takes as axiomatic that with conception and first cell division from one to two cells, an individual lifetime has begun and a continuum of individual life is in evidence; in order to obfuscate the truth, the 'new age' scientist who holds axiomatic that individual human life is a continuum begun at conception, must deny the first age along that continuum because she/he wants to exploit that earliest age of the individual human being! It is kind of like holding up a piece of rope exactly thirty-six inches long and defining that 36 inches as a complete continuum, then cutting the first three inches off of the length and using it for experimentation while insisting that the three inches was never part of the original simply because you want to use the first three inches of rope for another continuum of rope you deem more valuable.

We have reach the stage where scientists now practice cannibalism as enlightened medicine (yes, cannibalism, for it is the same as if the scientists gave you the embryos to eat for treatment) ... and they have inveigled society to embrace this cannibalism by dangling the cureall carrot so we won't see the rotting eugenic cart we will be in or the demonic horse created to pull us along perdition's road.

Technologically, we can exterminate the human race with nuclear weapons, but does that mean we should do so? An amoral society will commit suicide faster than a society under assault from an external enemy. When will America realize the external enemy is demonic, and enact legislation to protect nascent individual human life, preventing the final cannibalization of human beings? If the democrats have their way, NEVER. We will degenerate into the secular humanist cannibals the democrats have become already!

9 posted on 04/19/2003 1:08:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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My favorite saying is "the world is a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge."

Carolyn

10 posted on 04/19/2003 4:02:06 AM PDT by CDHart
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11 posted on 04/19/2003 4:32:13 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: nickcarraway
Oh, this is frightening. Giving nature a hand? Excuse me? Who decides what is a "defect"? Is premature balding a defect. Being ambidextrous (since most of the world's geniuses were, somehow I don't think this is). What about being short or having anything but blue eyes?

Absolutely unreal.
12 posted on 04/19/2003 5:40:15 AM PDT by Desdemona
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the IVF/BABI industry is driven by corporate greed

corporate greed - a buzz word term not often seen on a conservative website.

13 posted on 04/19/2003 6:31:24 AM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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Who decides what is a "defect"?

In a free world, the parents decide. The pro-life movement would do well to let go of the notion that they can force their religious/philosophical positions re reproduction on people who don't share those those views, and focus on the much more important issue of keeping governments out of the decision-making process. The best-case scenario is that all citizens remain free to make these choices themselves, in accordance with their beliefs. The worst-case scenario, which has been played in China in the form of forced abortion, and in Romania in the form of forced pregnancy and childbirth, is that no citizens get to make their own reproductive choices.

The pro-life movement's efforts to government in control of the matter has terrifying implications down the road. Once a population is accustomed to the notion that the government has the right to regulate individual citizens; reproduction, the government will easily modify the policies to fit it's own changing ends. For a while it might prohibit abortion, but when it decides the population is too large, or a certain group is too large, or there are too many "defectives" (by the government's definition), it will start requiring them.

14 posted on 04/19/2003 7:29:59 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Yeah, murder is such a religious topic and the government should not have any laws against it.
15 posted on 04/19/2003 7:36:41 AM PDT by Vindibudd
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..'take home baby.'...For them (liberals), it's like ordering fried rice and egg rolls to go...

wait till the GAYs hear about this...Fireworks.. :|

16 posted on 04/19/2003 7:47:07 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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Once a population is accustomed to the notion of killing babies inside the womb

The IVF products...cells...in this article are not in the womb.

18 posted on 04/19/2003 8:50:20 AM PDT by RJCogburn (Yes, I will call it bold talk for a......)
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More evidence of a world gone mad.

The author mentions criminalizing IVF and BABI and other forms of embroyo experimentation. We might be able to get BABI looked at, but IVF would be extremely difficult. And I believe the entire process has to start with making abortion illegal.

19 posted on 04/19/2003 9:10:35 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (No animals were harmed in the creation of this tagline.)
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That is precisely why the devious Dr. Edwards had to use double speak. And of course you read the entire article and discovered that the designer-life ghouls are looking forward to the day soon to come when none of the conceived individual human beings will be inside a human body, from conception to 40 weeks gastational age, so you fully agree with the notion that any so conceived and life supported individual human being is fair game for harvesting and exploitation ... because it isn't abortion if the individual human being wasn't inside a body. But Dr. Edwards used the word abortion, when he made his doublespeak speciously claiming 'blighted ova'.

Let's look at the case where a special tissue match is needed for a cure of a disease already identified in a perhaps six-year-old child. The scientists conceive a bunch of individual human embryos and check each one, to assure there is no genetic defect in any of these embryos, then check each one that passed that test, looking for the tissue matched embryos for the six-year-old. These scientists find five that match, so they raise these five to an age when their tissues are differentiated sufficiently for removal (and the removal process makes a so defective embryo or fetus that death of the embryo or fetus occurs or is issued because of the less-than-perfect resulting condition, post harvesting) ... and then the six-year-old is given the tissues from the five matching donors, to eat!... to eat with the specific goal in mind that that meal will cure the malady. Tell me how eating the tissues from the donors killed for their tissues is any different than injecting the tissues from the sacrificed donors in order to cure the diseased six-year-old? Yes, that is cannibalism. The methodology intended for BABI is cannibalism. But far be it from government to make cannibalism illicit behavior, you proudly proclaim. Disgusting, selfish, disgusting embrace of anything science can do as long as it holds benefit for you or yours. Disgusting, and the people have a right to be intolerant of such disgusting cannibalism and demand law to ban it.

20 posted on 04/19/2003 10:49:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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