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To: billbears
I haven't bought into anything. I don't live in the South, and I have not studied that history.

I realize my question was probably more involved than this thread may have room for. I didn't mean to open up a hornet's nest. I just found it interesting that black people (who apparently hate the confederate flag) now want to celebrate the confederate military. It just seems strange.
137 posted on 04/19/2003 8:43:28 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: CyberAnt
No worries, these threads usually turn into hornets nests pretty easily. This one is actually pretty civil, although they all usually boil down to "I'm right, so you must be wrong" arguments. If you're interested in this history, just dig aroumd on your own and read. A wide variety of sources will give you the better picture. Not nearly as cut and dried as most would like it to be, but that's why I remain so interested in the whole affair. Hope you weren't intimidated by your baptism into a WBTS thread.
138 posted on 04/19/2003 9:13:39 PM PDT by canalabamian (Happy Easter...He Is Risen!)
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To: CyberAnt; billbears
I just found it interesting that black people (who apparently hate the confederate flag) now want to celebrate the confederate military. It just seems strange.

You might find this interesting:

"It's pure fantasy,' contends James McPherson, a Princeton historian and one of the nation's leading Civil War scholars. Adds Edwin Bearss, historian emeritus at the National Park Service: 'It's b.s., wishful thinking.' Robert Krick, author of 10 books on the Confederacy, has studied the records of 150,000 Southern soldiers and found fewer than a dozen were black. 'Of course, if I documented 12, someone would start adding zeros,' he says.

"These and other scholars say claims about black rebels derive from unreliable anecdotes, a blurring of soldiers and laborers, and the rapid spread on the Internet of what Mr. McPherson calls 'pseudohistory.' Thousands of blacks did accompany rebel troops -- as servants, cooks, teamsters and musicians. Most were slaves who served involuntarily; until the final days of the war, the Confederacy staunchly refused to enlist black soldiers.

"Some blacks carried guns for their masters and wore spare or cast-off uniforms, which may help explain eyewitness accounts of blacks units. But any blacks who actually fought did so unofficially, either out of personal loyalty or self-defense, many historians say.

"They also bristle at what they see as the disingenuous twist on political correctness fueling the black Confederate fad. 'It's a search for a multicultural Confederacy, a desperate desire to feel better about your ancestors,' says Leslie Rowland, a University of Maryland historian. 'If you suggest that some blacks supported the South, then you can deny that the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy.'

"David Blight, an Amherst College historian, likens the trend to bygone notions about happy plantation darkies.' Confederate groups invited devoted ex-slaves to reunions and even won Senate approval in 1923 for a "mammy" monument in Washington (it was never built). Black Confederates, Mr. Blight says, are a new and more palatable way to 'legitimize the Confederacy.'"

-- Wall Street Journal, May 8, 1997

AND:

"There seems to be no evidence that the Negro soldiers authorized by the Confederate Government (March 13, 1865) ever went into battle. This gives rise to the question as to whether or not any Negroes ever fought in the Confederate ranks. It is possible that some of the free Negro companies organized in Louisiana and Tennessee in the early part of the war took part in local engagements; but evidence seems to the contrary. (Authors note: If they did, their action was not authorized by the Confederate Government.) A company of "Creoles," some of whom had Negro blood, may have been accepted in the Confederate service at Mobile. Secretary Seddon conditioned his authorization of the acceptance of the company on the ability of those "Creoles" to be naturally and properly distinguished from Negroes. If persons with Negro Blood served in Confederate ranks as full-fledged soldiers, the per cent of Negro blood was sufficiently low for them to pass as whites."

(Authors note: Henry Clay Warmoth said that many Louisiana mulattoes were in Confederate service but they were "not registered as Negroes." War Politics and Reconstruction, p. 56) p. 160-61, SOUTHERN NEGROES, Wiley

There is -no- credible evidence that even a small number blacks served as soldiers in the rebel armies.

Walt

180 posted on 04/21/2003 6:27:42 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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