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Liberal Methodist Leaders Call Bush to Repentance
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| April 17, 2003
| Jody Brown and Bill Fancher
Posted on 04/17/2003 2:30:22 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Liberal Methodist Leaders Call Bush to Repentance
As though liberal Methodist leaders have any clue at all as to what constitutes repentance.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:32:37 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: Willie Green
Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
To: Willie Green
He points out that Bishop Sprague denies that Jesus Christ is eternally divine, Bishop Talbert has endorsed same-sex "marriage," and Winkler is a pacifist.
I know someone who knows Sprague who says he is, let me paraphrase this, a real dick.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:35:14 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: aruanan
Are you saying the man could where a condemn on his head and it would not look out of place?
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:37:34 PM PDT
by
dts32041
(The power to tax, once conceded, has no limits; it continues until it destroys.- RAH)
To: Lost Highway
3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Notice, though, that these verses exist to demonstrate which rulers are not G-d's servants to do their citizens good. Saddam, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc., etc., are all people who clearly punished right behavior and rewarded wrong.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:38:51 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: Willie Green
There is a reason why people are leaving the UMC and other mainline churches in droves.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:39:11 PM PDT
by
kb2614
(".....We've done nothing and were all out of ideas!!")
To: Willie Green
Hmmmm....looks like it's really time to become a CATHOLIC in S. Dakota.....
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:39:22 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News......by CRIMINALS!)
To: aruanan
My relatives are turning over in their graves. This is not the Methodist Church of old.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:39:35 PM PDT
by
MEG33
To: BibChr
ping. you'll love this one...
The ad, signed by several United Methodist bishops and the head of the denomination's lobby office in Washington, D.C., denounces the president for contributing to "spiritual forces of wickedness" and calls for him to "repent from domestic and foreign policies that are incompatible with the teaching and example of Christ."
Among those signing the ad are UM Bishops Joseph Sprague and Melvin Talbert, and Board of Church and Society general secretary Jim Winkler. ... it claims that the president's domestic policy is "incongruent with Jesus' teaching" and falls short of the compassion of which Jesus spoke, despite Bush's claim to be a "compassionate conservative."
Mark Tooley heads the United Methodist committee of the Institute on Religion and Democracy...points out that Bishop Sprague denies that Jesus Christ is eternally divine, Bishop Talbert has endorsed same-sex "marriage," and Winkler is a pacifist.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:40:21 PM PDT
by
dirtboy
(The White House can have my DNA when they pry it from my ... eh, never mind, let's not go there...)
To: aruanan
good point.
To: dts32041
Are you saying the man could where [sic] a condemn [sic] on his head and it would not look out of place?
Maybe not in France. And I think condemnation is already pretty firmly seated on Sprague's head.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:40:36 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: Lost Highway
So Impeachment for Bill Clinton was wrong?
Wow. And he swore on the Bible, too.
To: Willie Green
Unfortunately, the heirarchy of the Methodist Church has lost all claim to any moral authority normally afforded those who follow Christ. There is a web-site dedicated to reforming the church
http://www.goodnewsmag.org/ which outlines the internal battle...including how the United Methodist Women used funds for mission to lobby Bill Clinton to VETO the ban on partial birth abortion.
To: MEG33
I challenge anybody to find a true man of God in any church today.
To: mabelkitty
edit
(sarcasm/off)
To: dirtboy
Anyone know a good rightwing church? I'm getting pretty tired of hearing from all the hypocritical, commie-loving, Bush-bashing ones.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:43:43 PM PDT
by
Dog Gone
To: mabelkitty
A bit harsh.
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:44:38 PM PDT
by
MEG33
To: mabelkitty
There are many true men of God in churches today. May depend on whether you are going by YOUR definition or God's, as to their level of holiness.
UMC Bishops have alot of nerve. I would suggest that President Bush a better group to worship with. ;)
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posted on
04/17/2003 2:46:00 PM PDT
by
madison10
(Think first, type later.)
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