Posted on 04/17/2003 1:59:42 PM PDT by forty_years
Yes but what's the difference an adult puppet and a juvinal puppet?
That means the same "read my lips" group that was assembled under old Bush is now assembled under junior Bush
It was Sr. Bush who said that, not some group, it was a mistake for which he paid dearly but it has very little to do with the current President
and their direction then was tax and spend
I see quite the opposite with this President. He has cut taxes once, he's trying for more, and I predict he will continue those efforts throughout his time in office. He would like to see spending controlled, congress does not want to control it much at all.
and prop up the UN and I'm not so sure that will not be the final result this time.
He just got through taking the UN to the woodshed. In case you missed it, when the UN wouldn't play ball what did he do, he ignored them and did the right thing IMHO.
Maybe I just like "the glass is half full" way of looking at things. I remember the last president all too well.
Yes, seemingly so. I just cautioned that the end result may be something we do not expect.
Hmmm. Let's compare. Clinton had a scandal every month. Bush hasn't had any. Hillary tried to make herself a second president. Laura Bush hasn't done that. Clinton sold out our national security to China. Bush hasn't done that. Clinton never reacted in any significant way to terrorist attacks on American interests. Bush has responded resoundingly. Clinton defiled the Oval Office. Bush has treated the office with respect.
I could go on and on - but to anyone who bothers to compare the two, the reasons are clear as to why Clinton was despised by the right - for damn good reason. Why is Bush despised by the left? Because he is willing to act in the national interests of this country, something the left simply cannot stand.
Oh, and since you're comparing Kosovo to Iraq, let's look there as well. Both Iraq and Kosovo were not sanctioned by the UN - but Mike Farrell approved of Kosovo but not Iraq. Intervention in Kosovo made matters worse. Intervention in Iraq will, in all likeliehood, make matters better for Iraqis. And, most importantly, Kosovo had no bearing on this country's national interests and security - but Iraq does.
Only the shallowest of thinkers try to draw moral equivalence from superficial similarities.
Dude, we've been analyzing this stuff on FR for years. We understand just fine what is going on.
If you truly believe that the left hates our guy because he is "willing to act in the national interests of this country," then thats your opinion and you're entitled to it, limited in scope as it may be. Even to the casual observer however, I believe it goes much, much deeper than that.
Oh, there might be some peripheral matters, such as their lingering resentment about Florida. But, in the end, it's about their viewpoint towards America and Bush's willingness to promote our security and interests, as opposed to Clinton, who would only intervene when the so-called "taint" of American interests did not cloud the morality of what he was doing, or something like that.
It's important to put "perception" itno the equation. To understand exactly what drives the left in their adversity toward Bush is to understand how to mobilize and move their opinion, thus better securing the position of the President.
Eh, once again, we've faced these left-wing nimrods for years, from face-to-face at demonstrations to internet activism to the media. We've got a pretty good idea of who they are and what they're about, but if you are arrogant enough to think that it takes YOUR opinion to make us complete, go ahead and utter it here. Just don't expect folks to particulary like you much with that kind of attitude, especially when you try to draw a moral equivalence between our dislike of Clinton and the left's dislike of Bush.
However, if you feel there's simply no argument at all, and you're right about everything, and anyone who is against Bush's foreign policy is just flat out wrong, and the left is just stupid (should I continue with the generalizations?), then so be it.
I have my own disagreements with Bush in many areas. However, just because I'm dressing you down here, you fall back on the lame bushbot attack with no evidence to support your claim. Boy, you're really establishing your credibility in a hurry here /sarcasm.
I'm certainly not going to enlighten you.
Well, that's the first thing you've gotten right, although not for the reasons you think...
There he goes again - you're too good for the likes of us.
Invariably, there's always some "know-it-all" who discounts any opinion which differs from his as meaningless and ignorant, and turns meaningful dialogue into baseless attacks.
Oh, that's priceless. You come barging in with this kind of statement:
I think the hatred expressed by the right toward Clinton is every bit as vile as the hatred expressed toward Bush from the left.
And then act all like the innocent, hurt party. What a joke.
I'm happy for you that you feel like you've "dressed me down," and I'm sure you take comfort in that rather than for one split second even thinking that maybe, just maybe, there's a little different viwpoint out there from what you have, and that you might actually learn something by addressing it versus bashing it.
No, I've seen folks like you come here many times and act like us rubes can't possibly know squat without your input. And watched as they get their opinions demolished by those who actually know something.
You've won, you got me. I'm not here to disrupt, I'm here to discuss and learn. You?
I really don't care squat what you think of me. Anyone who compares what this site feels about Clinton to what the left feels about Bush doesn't have anything to add to the conversation here. Oh, and BTW, I lurked several months before I posted here, it actually is quite helpful - you realize you have a lot to learn and then post accordingly when you start.
I think the hatred expressed by the right toward Clinton is every bit as vile as the hatred expressed toward Bush from the left.
And then immediately said this:
It's been some time since we've had a leader who has shown the ability to rally the nation into being together. I think Bush did this beautifully following 9/11
And then said this on another thread:
I know the passion I felt against Clinton when he was in office.....
So you think Bush has displayed solid leadership, had strong passions against Clinton, yet draw a more equivalence between those who hate Clinton and those who hate Bush. That is a phenomenon called "incoherence" - but it's curable, especially if you drop condesceding attitudes like this one that you displayed on another thread:
Really, you can't be so simplistic in your approach to trying to understand what it is that the left has a problem with. Look deeper, young grasshopper..
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