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Jobless Claims Surge to 442,000 Last Week
Reuters ^ | 04-17-03

Posted on 04/17/2003 5:45:21 AM PDT by Brian S

Thu April 17, 2003 08:35 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More Americans than expected signed up for state unemployment benefits last week, reflecting increased layoffs in the auto industry as the world's richest economy limped forward, a government report on Thursday showed.

First-time jobless claims rose by 30,000 to a seasonally adjusted 442,000 for the week ended April 12, the Labor Department said.

It was the ninth straight week that claims held above the key 400,000 level, regarded by economists as a sign of an unhealthy labor market.

Much of the rise reflects an increase in layoffs in the auto industry, a Labor Department official said.

The gain was well above expectations. Economists in a Reuters poll forecast, on average, that jobless claims would edge up to 411,000.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: unemployment; wareconomy
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You can call these numbers 'lagging indicators' however as this number grows, there are less sales, less spending. Exactly the thing needed to turn this economy around. Are we at the point where the economic engine is feeding upon itself?
1 posted on 04/17/2003 5:45:21 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
If Bloomberg goes with his doomsday plan for NYC you will see those unemployment numbers increase dramatically!
2 posted on 04/17/2003 5:49:58 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: areafiftyone
I am beginning to wonder what percentage of the population between 18 and 65 are still employed.
3 posted on 04/17/2003 5:56:57 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Brian S
US Jobless Claims: Auto-Industry Layoffs Are Cited

By Joseph Rebello

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The number of U.S. workers filing first-time applications for unemployment benefits surged last week as automobile manufacturers reduced production because of slow sales, indicating the sluggish economy continues to hurt the jobs market.

Initial jobless claims rose by 30,000 to 442,000 in the week that ended April 12, reversing the previous week's decline, the Labor Department said Thursday. The four-week moving average, which smoothes out weekly fluctuations, climbed to an 11-month high of 424,750.

The numbers surprised Wall Street, which had expected an increase of just 10,000 initial claims, according to a consensus forecast of economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires and CNBC.

A Labor Department spokesman attributed the increase to layoffs in the auto industry, whose three biggest manufacturers idled some factories because of slow sales. Those layoffs accounted for as much as half the increase in claims last week, the spokesman said.

More than 2 million Americans have lost their jobs over the last two years after the economy sank into recession, and the war with Iraq has made businesses even more reluctant to hire workers, analysts say. Some economists say, however, that the end of the war will boost business confidence and economic growth in the second half of the year.

The Labor Department said the number of workers drawing unemployment benefits for more than a week also rose in the week that ended April 5, the latest period for which the number is available. Continuing claims increased by 76,000 to 3,574,000. The unemployment rate for workers with unemployment insurance held steady at 2.8%.

In all, 35 states reported a decrease in unadjusted initial claims for the week of April 5 while 18 reported an increase, the Labor Department said. Illinois reported the biggest increase, a gain of 5,779 that it attributed to layoffs in the construction, trade, service and manufacturing industries. Kentucky reported the biggest drop, saying claims fell by 1,569 because of fewer layoffs in the mining industry.

The Labor Department revised its preliminary estimate of initial claims for the week of April 5, raising it by 7,000 to 412,000. The department routinely revises its initial estimates.


4 posted on 04/17/2003 5:58:22 AM PDT by Stay the course
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To: Brian S
Are we at the point where the economic engine is feeding upon itself?

It's bad economic policy from the White House. Demand management doesn't work. The president has never said anything good about the private technology sector (our growth engine), nor about new businesses and markets, although he has come around on saying good things about small business. He's a bad economic president, although I'm sure he and Karl Rove figure it won't be a big issue in 2004, because, at this time, the Rats have nothing better to offer. Plus, they figure token, ineffective tax cuts will shore up the base. And if it looks like an issue in 2004, they'll just implement huge increases in government spending to buy votes.

And yes, people have been saying that unemployment is a lagging indicator for the last two years. As long as policies don't change, it becomes a pretty good leading indicator, too.

5 posted on 04/17/2003 6:11:45 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Stay the course
The auto layoffs are most troubling as I remember a article (can't find it) that indicated that it was General Motors introduction of the zero-interest loan shortly after 911 that essentially 'saved' the economy post disaster.
6 posted on 04/17/2003 6:16:12 AM PDT by Brian S (YOU'RE IT!)
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To: areafiftyone
>>If Bloomberg goes with his doomsday plan for NYC you will see those unemployment numbers increase dramatically!

Yea, but thats good unemployment...unemployed govt workers..
7 posted on 04/17/2003 6:27:01 AM PDT by freeper12
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To: Moonman62
Karl Rove figure it won't be a big issue in 2004, because, at this time, the Rats have nothing better to offer.

Not true--the Democrats will implement that incredibly popular panacea for the economy: tax hikes. Don't laugh; at an April 15 town-hall meeting, Senator Specter inquired, "How many of you want to pay MORE taxes?" and most of the members of the audience threw up a hand--some two, and I saw one or two feet in there too. Although I didn't raise my hand, I never realized just how popular high taxes really are. Then again, this is a college town, so most of the questions read something like "What type of a bonehead are you for not vocally opposing an unjust war of aggression against a forward-looking, peace-loving man like Saddam Hussein?"

8 posted on 04/17/2003 6:38:44 AM PDT by dufekin (Peace HAS COME AT LONG LAST to the tortured people of Iraq!)
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To: dufekin
I see help-wanted signs all over....hmmmm
9 posted on 04/17/2003 6:40:22 AM PDT by dakine
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"I see help-wanted signs all over....hmmmm"

Those help wanted signs are usually for clerks and burger flippers. Thats not a great alternative to a professional or high-paying trades job.
10 posted on 04/17/2003 6:52:35 AM PDT by Nachoman
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To: Brian S
There's lots of temp jobs available in Research Triangle Park. That's about 90% of the offerings here--paying about ten bucks an hour: no replacement for those 12,000 or so real technology jobs we've lost in the past eighteen months. (And it's not Bush's fault--it's the fault of the Republican Party's tax policies...who controls Congress and the White House now? It ain't the Democrats.)
11 posted on 04/17/2003 7:07:33 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: dufekin
"How many of you want to pay MORE taxes?"

Remember the Far Side cartoons where some guy is talking to a dog and all the dog really hears is gibberish and words like his name and food. Well, I'm sure the people in your audience heard the question as , "How many of you want other people to pay MORE taxes?"

12 posted on 04/17/2003 7:11:39 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: Nachoman
>>Those help wanted signs are usually for clerks and burger flippers. Thats not a great alternative to a professional or high-paying

Agreed. Read an article yesterday that said the average time to get a decent white collar job is now 11 months (Now before some bozo chimes in and says "I got a new job in 3 days, therefore there economy is good", thats an AVERAGE....).

Even if someone that used to make 80-100K ends up taking a lower level job for 30-40K (gotta do what you gotta do), that doesn't help the economy much...with a 50K drop in income, s/he isn't going to spending like s/he was before and s/he isn't going to be paying taxes like before...and for the last 3 years the only thing holding up the economy is the consumer spending...if the consumers tire, or decide to save instead of consuming, watchout...
13 posted on 04/17/2003 7:12:24 AM PDT by freeper12
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To: freeper12
Around here, we're seeing it in more concrete terms. Laid-off Yankees high-tailing it for home are finding they can't sell their houses fast enough, so they rent. And the quality of people we have colonizing, er, moving into our area is dropping noticably, thousands of Mexicans aside.
14 posted on 04/17/2003 7:18:44 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: arete
Ping.
15 posted on 04/17/2003 7:25:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Brian S
I have to assume some of this is due to the war. People stopped buying stuff the last few weeks.
16 posted on 04/17/2003 9:04:20 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: Moonman62
It is very easy to support higher income taxes when you are unemployed with zero income. A great economy that excludes you is still a shitty. I suspect we will see taxes climb rapidly; especially in the form of protectionist tariffs.
17 posted on 04/17/2003 9:09:07 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: warchild9
Laid-off Yankees high-tailing it for home are finding they can't sell their houses fast enough, so they rent.

Which will most likely result in foreclosure of the house that wouldn't sell. Of course, the house has no equity value because when it was refinanced, any equity was pulled out and spent.

Banks start liquidating there foreclosures and there goes the rest of the housing market.

18 posted on 04/17/2003 9:13:03 AM PDT by Brian S (YOU'RE IT!)
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To: lasereye
The economy has been losing jobs since 1999. The war may have had a small impact (read fears of a fuel price spike), but there are much larger underlying issues.
19 posted on 04/17/2003 9:13:15 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA
I believe the economy actually added a small number last year. I agree the economy hasn't robust for awhile now. My comment about the war was mainly the unexpected rise in claims. There is a longer term problem that started over 2 years ago, which seems to be rooted in wildly excessive investment in technology in the late 90's, followed by the inevitable correction.
20 posted on 04/17/2003 9:45:33 AM PDT by lasereye
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