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To: Zon
"The company that chose not to drop their price by 25% would be out-competed by the companies that did lower their prices. It's just that simple."

Z, Or when the company cuts it's prices not because of "choice", but because of the necessity to "compete", they still go out of business. And, as I wrote before, the remaining company at that point RAISES prices to recoop their losses. when competition is eliminated, that is the way it works. "What the market will bear".
"What you been smokin'?" was began by the "I want some of what you and the author are smoking." comment by EEE.

If no one pays a tax on final use products except for folks who are unlicensed godgov approved corporations, the tax rate of 29% is WAY low. If farmers through bakers pay no taxes on their end use products {"tractors, ovens"} then why should harry homeowner? "Godgov" is an entity worshipped by MANY. Some call "him" "Big Brother" or some "Big Mama". I think you may recognize him/her. Peace and love, George.

97 posted on 04/17/2003 5:56:34 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

Zon: "The company that chose not to drop their price by 25% would be out-competed by the companies that did lower their prices. It's just that simple."

Z, Or when the company cuts it's prices not because of "choice", but because of the necessity to "compete", they still go out of business.

I already covered that in my last response to you. All the companies that produce the same generic product get a cost savings of 25% with the NRST. All the companies that make the same generic product could drop their prices by 25% and remain competitive and make the same amount of profit. Your argument was refuted in my last post and now again in this post. Your argument that one company has a 25% reduced price advantage that the other companies don't is false. If you chose to claim an inability of adequate reading comprehension -- despite the clear and simple explanation I gave in my last response to you and now this response -- all I can say is so be it, and a quote from Mark Twain: "It is better to sit in silence and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

And, as I wrote before, the remaining company at that point RAISES prices to recoop their losses. when competition is eliminated, that is the way it works. "What the market will bear".

I'll repeat what I said in slightly different wording: The 25% cost savings that company K passed on to consumers by reducing it's prices 25%, companies X, Y, and Z -- all three of them -- also get a 25% cost savings and can reduce their prices by 25% to match company K's prices. All four companies would be making the same profit before they received the 25% cost savings and after all four companies pass their cost saving on to the consumers. All four companies are making the same profit as before the cost savings.

"What you been smokin'?" was began by the "I want some of what you and the author are smoking." comment by EEE.

As I said in my last response: those types of comments/tactics tend to detract form the writers arguments and tend to make it appear as though the writer is using the tactic because their arguments don't hold up. That you chose to follow somebody else's lead it is no wonder that you didn't think for yourself of what the implication would be for you to do the same. Many followers are in same blind predicament. You're way out of your league in this discussion. Still, I encourage you to correct your errors because even if you refuse to, you're sill a useful juxtaposition to fully integrated honesty. It makes no difference to me how you chose to present yourself -- it's your credibility, not mine.

 "Godgov" is an entity worshipped by MANY. Some call "him" "Big Brother" or some "Big Mama". I think you may recognize him/her.

What you speak of is a follower's mentality. As I pointed out and Taxman emphasized in his 81 post, the primary issue with just tax reform is to stop the government from pointing a gun at taxpayer's head (threaten with imprisonment and fines) to disclose how much income they make -- it's none of the government's business to invade people's privacy as the flat income tax does. My take on the limits of government are as follows, which BTW, completely refutes your implication that I worship godgov.

The following should be Amended to the constitution and adhered to with swift priority.

* The purpose of conscious life is to live happily. 
* The function of government is to guarantee those conditions that let individuals fulfill their purpose.  Those conditions can be guaranteed through a universal constitution that forbids the use of initiatory force, fraud, or coercion by any person or group against any individual. 

***
Article 1

No person, group of persons, or government shall initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual's self or property. 

Article 2

Force shall be morally and legally used only in self-defense against those who violate Article 1. 

Article 3

No exceptions shall exist for Articles 1 and 2. 

The above is from: http://www.neo-tech.com/pax-b1/a1.php

* * *

What do you get in return for your tax dollars?

Introduction

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How can so many people thinking they're right be so wrong?

Before voting for a politician make sure that they address Issue 101. Demand that of media outlets too.

Issue 101 -- The House of Cards

How is it that people and society in general have prospered and increased their well being for decades yet the politicians and bureaucrats say we must have another 3,000 laws and regulations each year on top of the 100,000+ laws already on the books... That without them people and society face "disaster". People and society have done quite well without next year's 3,000 new federal laws and regulations. Why all of a sudden can people and society not continue to do quite well without them? The fact is, they'd be better off without 99% of them.

So who really benefits from 3,000 new laws and regulations each year? -- not to mention state laws and regulations. Politicians and bureaucrats. They create boogieman problems and with a complicit media towing their boogieman problems cast a net of false fear and unwarranted despair in people.

Quite literally, they create problems where none exist. They're sick in that they chose to frighten people and foist false despair on them and do that to collect their unearned paychecks. Their job security is predicated on deceiving as many people as possible.

It cost more than just two trillion dollars a year to fund government abuse. That abuse hinders people's development, especially children being indoctrinated rather than educated, harms the economy and is largely responsible for causing false booms and reality-adjusting bust cycles in markets.

Flushing that money down the toilet -- save for military defense spending -- would be better for individuals, their families and society. That's a different way of saying, can't we just pay congress to stay home and not leave their houses. Surely we'd be better off. Politicians and bureaucrats are sick and need your help.

Fully integrated honesty is key. That we have the government we have -- delivered by both Democrats and Republicans -- that has gone so far off course from the government the founders created, is a product of irrationality and dishonesty. Changing the laws via the system is almost completely useless. Politicians create dozens of unconstitutional laws before even considering repealing just one unconstitutional law.

That is not a system -- it's a quagmire of deception, irrationality, fraud and abuse.

Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem.

Who are the parasites?
Who are the producers?
Ostracizing the parasitical value destroyers
Praise the value producers

Step one for helping politicians and bureaucrats:
Get your head out of their sandbox.

Step two: Demand that they address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step three: Ostracize government officials that fail to honestly address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step four: Champion science and business communities -- often under relentless attack by the government. For they create jobs, necessities, luxuries and ever greater advancements that support human life, family and society.

101 posted on 04/17/2003 7:07:31 AM PDT by Zon
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