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Shock and awe not only for Iraqis {The "Fair" tax cometh}
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/16/2003 | By Joan Veon

Posted on 04/16/2003 7:28:39 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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To: Bigun
Dr. Walter Williams has FORGOTTEN more about economics than YOU will EVER know Looie!
261 posted on 04/19/2003 7:12:27 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
This article is a lying load of crap. The Fair Tax is NOT a VAT with hidden taxes. The tax is front and center, not hidden such as a VAT and our current bogus Income Tax. The IRS/IRC is eliminated by the Fair Tax. This article is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
262 posted on 04/19/2003 7:22:09 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: Zon; Admin Moderator
There are already been a warning not to make these personal attacks, but Zon has twice already initiate personal attacks since then. I am gonna respond if some idiot makes snide personal comments. I don't mind a good debate, but when the debate gets dragged into the personal level it is disturbing.
264 posted on 04/19/2003 7:39:28 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: manic4organic
Why would I want to increase my taxes by a hugh amount, which is what this bill would do. You people really need to get away from the idealized cases and start thinking about real world cases. Stop, think and go through the math to see what this would do to people with large families (large amount of deductions and lots of spending) and you will see unfriendly to families these proposals are.
265 posted on 04/19/2003 7:39:56 AM PDT by FSPress
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
The amount of spending by the federal government needs to be reduced rather than hammering the hell out of the people and families who end up spending most of their income on goods. This president not stopped the rise in federal spending and now wants to go for the throat of the taxpayer.
266 posted on 04/19/2003 7:45:13 AM PDT by FSPress
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To: MalcolmS
Sounds like a bunch of record keeping at each step. Then do you have to "file" to prove your deductions? It seems it would not be much different from what we have now as far as paperwork is concerned. Or am I misunderstanding? I think I would prefer the flat tax.
267 posted on 04/19/2003 7:46:58 AM PDT by pepperdog (God Bless and Protect our Troops)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
The VAT tax is drastically different from a NRST. They are not the same. You can be against a VAT tax and for a NRST.
268 posted on 04/19/2003 7:49:16 AM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
BTTT

The best thing for the middle class is a hugh decline in federal spending.
269 posted on 04/19/2003 7:49:57 AM PDT by FSPress
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To: Bigun
you have been presented so many facts so many times by so many people it is pathetic!

You clowns continue to say that yet can't seem to find one example. Rather, you go on and on about me ...

Just present ONE example of how your plan will reduce prices 20, 30, 40%, it would be much simpler than name calling or endless rants (lies actually) about how everyone everywhere has already posted it. .

Dr. Walter Williams has fotten [sic] more about economics that [sic] YOU will EVER know!

Maybe you could get him to show you how it would work then.

Sorry, though (with the exception of the constant little cigarette cough/clearing of the throat) I like listening to him on Rush, but when he talks about economics I can't help but think "affirmative action"....

270 posted on 04/19/2003 7:55:13 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Would you rather be taxed on your income or on what you spend?
Fair? On the issue of "fairness" I'd rather be taxed like the FF intended...by my % of the overall population...but I know that is just dreaming on my part. We're "oh so much wiser" than they were.

Article 1, Sec. 9
No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
Amendment XVI shot that to hell!

271 posted on 04/19/2003 8:06:46 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: FSPress
Let's see:

much lower federal taxes = fewer people working for the federal government

fewer people working for the federal government = more people to productively work in industry (producing more goods and services to provide to consumers who have more money to spend.)

fewer people working for the federal governement = less federal government power

less federal government power = more freedom in the long run.

This is where the real $$$ are at, not screwing the taxpayer because they have to buy clothes and food.
272 posted on 04/19/2003 8:10:21 AM PDT by FSPress
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I think that this is a rather poorly argued article.

Secretary Snow, who likes to snow people,

Any Article that includes lines like this cannot be treated seriously.

The proposed legislation will, instead, change the entire tax code of America from a tax on income to a tax on consumption over a 10-year period.

Which proposed legislation is that? All Bush is asking for is an extremely small tax cut, with an end to double taxation on dividends.

At the heart of this plan is the elimination of tax on corporate dividends

Actually Joan, the goal is to end the Double taxation on dividends. Someone will still have to pay taxes on any profits earned by dividends.

And so on and so on.

273 posted on 04/19/2003 8:36:49 AM PDT by Sci Fi Guy
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To: pepperdog
Sounds like a bunch of record keeping at each step. Then do you have to "file" to prove your deductions? It seems it would not be much different from what we have now as far as paperwork is concerned. Or am I misunderstanding? I think I would prefer the flat tax.

You file with a one page report, monthly, quarterly or annually depending on business level. You keep your records for an audit just in case, but you would do this anyway. Your usual business records (receipts etc) all contain the tax info, so there is no extra burden.

The claimed advantage of such a system over a strictly retail tax is that it captures economic activity that does not make it to the retail level (such as production machinery) thus distributing the tax throughout the economy more fairly. Of course, business has to pass this onto the final consumer anyway.

I am not promoting such a system, just clarifying a previous poster that suggested that producer level taxes would be multiplied.

You tax activities you don't like. I'm not clear that taxing consumption wouldn't create an initial drop in consumer activity. However, I would suggest that eliminating the complexity of the tax code would free society tremendously. Of course, it would create a depressing in the law/accountancy sector. After Enron, maybe that's a good thing for the big firms to take a hit, but many decent lower-level CA's would also be affected.

274 posted on 04/19/2003 8:55:36 AM PDT by MalcolmS
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To: PhilWill
"The market research was in the form of phone polling, targeted advertising, counting website hits and focus groups."

"Would you like to retract your statement now?"
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PW, No thanks. The numbers on the bite to differing income groups tells the story. Known out take versus possible reductions. These people would make good used car salespersons. Thanks anyway. Peace and love, George.

275 posted on 04/20/2003 5:22:54 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ApesForEvolution
"The Fair Tax is NOT a VAT with hidden taxes."

AFE, That ain't so either. But, THIS article isn't even talking about the NRST. THIS article is speaking about a VAT tax that IS included in the President's{?} tax reduction bill. The VAT will be implemented over the next few years in ADDITION to the income tax and all the rest of the odious "user fees", "permits", "excise taxes", and other SALES taxes such as for gasoline, airline tickets, utility taxes, etc that are already levied. Be afraid for your children's future. VERY afraid! Peace and love, George.

276 posted on 04/20/2003 5:32:10 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: FSPress
"This president not stopped the rise in federal spending and now wants to go for the throat of the taxpayer."

"The best thing for the middle class is a hugh decline in federal spending."
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FSP, Agreed. And, the lower earning taxpayer the hardest. And, the "movers and shakers" would have less incentive to keep the rate low. Whereas, with a flat tax on income with no deductions and or exemptions, they would have a BIG interest in keeping the bite low and lowering government expenditures. Now, and with a NRST they want government help with their favored passtimes. Peace and love, George.

277 posted on 04/20/2003 5:41:45 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sci Fi Guy
"Someone will still have to pay taxes on any profits earned by dividends."

SFG, Actually, the bill that the Tax is written into {Bush's tax cut bill} is designed to ELIMINATE "investment" income from taxation. So, in this instance, you are wrong. Peace and love, George.

278 posted on 04/20/2003 5:46:46 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sci Fi Guy
"Secretary Snow, who likes to snow people,"

SFG, BTW, do you REALLY think that ain't so?? Then, maybe he could be more forthright when discussing our national debt. The Treasury Department is, as of 12/31/2002, above the debt limit set by Congress, and as of 04/17/2003, $460,780,111,309.05, above the national debt limit allowed by Congress. 'Splain that! Peace and love, George.

279 posted on 04/20/2003 5:56:41 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
I misunderstood. Why did you put "Fair" tax in the title?
280 posted on 04/20/2003 11:11:05 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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