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Shock and awe not only for Iraqis {The "Fair" tax cometh}
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/16/2003 | By Joan Veon

Posted on 04/16/2003 7:28:39 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park

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To: Polybius
I propose that a wealth tax

Communism. Very conservative.

21 posted on 04/16/2003 9:00:05 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"THE IRS IS DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS!!"

PCJ, FINALLY!! Someone is waking up. It is DESIGNED to do JUST that by those making laws. The "fair" tax simply accelerates the process, and INSURES that no more upstarts such as Perot and Gates can horn into the gravy train. Whereas, a flat tax on income with NO deductions and/or exemptions would allow for ALL citizens to be productive with a chance for advancement due to high productivity equally. It is NOT "if" it will happen as Joan writes. It is a statistical certainty. Simply read the exapmles she gives. It can't be denied. Peace and love, George.

22 posted on 04/16/2003 9:05:28 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Paulus Invictus
The "Flat Tax" is fine except that it would still be administered by the IRS. NRT would do away with the IRS.
23 posted on 04/16/2003 9:21:32 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses ,sexy for me)
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To: Enduring Freedom

I’m highly disappointed in WND. I expect a lot more from them.

I expected more honesty from them too. This isn't the first time they've let a writer, in this case Joan Veon, get the best of them.

Replacing the graduated/progressive income tax with a consumption tax such as the NRST would set off a chain reaction of benefits.

1. Boom the economy because productivity is not taxed; no tax on profits or hidden taxes/fees.

2. IRS threats and coercion eliminated and replaced with, "if you don't want to pay the tax, don't buy the item."

3. 20% to 30% decrease in retail prices that facilitates spending and partially offsets the retail tax. Which will also...

Cause U.S. made products more competitive when sold within the USA against foreign imports.

Cause U.S. made products more competitive in the World market.

4. People will know how much leviathan government is really costing them, resulting in...

5. Shrinking government to it's constitutional function to protect synonymous private-property rights and individual rights from domestic and foreign criminals while upholding the sanctity of private contracts.

6. Creates jobs in the USA.

7. Freedom in United States leads to other countries doing similar or risk its citizens fleeing to United States to increase productivity here while enjoying the fruits/prosperity of their labor.

More information at Americans for Fair Tax on the fairtax.org Web site.

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What do you get in return for your tax dollars?

Introduction

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How can so many people thinking they're right be so wrong?

Before voting for a politician make sure that they address Issue 101. Demand that of media outlets too.

Issue 101 -- The House of Cards

How is it that people and society in general have prospered and increased their well being for decades yet the politicians and bureaucrats say we must have another 3,000 laws and regulations each year on top of the 100,000+ laws already on the books... That without them people and society face "disaster". People and society have done quite well without next year's 3,000 new federal laws and regulations. Why all of a sudden can people and society not continue to do quite well without them? The fact is, they'd be better off without 99% of them.

So who really benefits from 3,000 new laws and regulations each year? -- not to mention state laws and regulations. Politicians and bureaucrats. They create boogieman problems and with a complicit media towing their boogieman problems cast a net of false fear and unwarranted despair in people.

Quite literally, they create problems where none exist. They're sick in that they chose to frighten people and foist false despair on them and do that to collect their unearned paychecks. Their job security is predicated on deceiving as many people as possible.

It cost more than just two trillion dollars a year to fund government abuse. That abuse hinders people's development, especially children being indoctrinated rather than educated, harms the economy and is largely responsible for causing false booms and reality-adjusting bust cycles in markets.

Flushing that money down the toilet -- save for military defense spending -- would be better for individuals, their families and society. That's a different way of saying, can't we just pay congress to stay home and not leave their houses. Surely we'd be better off. Politicians and bureaucrats are sick and need your help.

Fully integrated honesty is key. That we have the government we have -- delivered by both Democrats and Republicans -- that has gone so far off course from the government the founders created, is a product of irrationality and dishonesty. Changing the laws via the system is almost completely useless. Politicians create dozens of unconstitutional laws before even considering repealing just one unconstitutional law.

That is not a system -- it's a quagmire of deception, irrationality, fraud and abuse.

Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem.

Who are the parasites?
Who are the producers?
Ostracizing the parasitical value destroyers
Praise the value producers

Step one for helping politicians and bureaucrats:
Get your head out of their sandbox.

Step two: Demand that they address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step three: Ostracize government officials that fail to honestly address Issue 101. Do the same with the media.

Step four: Champion science and business communities -- often under relentless attack by the government. For they create jobs, necessities, luxuries and ever greater advancements that support human life, family and society.

24 posted on 04/16/2003 9:26:13 AM PDT by Zon
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
You do not understand of what you speak. You are assuming many things that are just inaccurate.

For example, you assume that a sales tax would cause prices to rise. That is an invalid assumption. Indeed, prices will even fall in some instances.

By showing that you are unaware of this, you are showing your unfamiliarity with the entire sales tax concept.

Do some reading.
25 posted on 04/16/2003 9:29:22 AM PDT by Principled
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Under the "Fair Tax" each household would recieve a monthly or quarterly payment equal to "poverty level" income. This would cover "basic living expenses", food rent, etc. The IRS would be gone, no one gets a break, people who spend more pay more. What's the problem?
26 posted on 04/16/2003 9:29:31 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses ,sexy for me)
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To: Jotmo

I’m highly disappointed in WND. I expect a lot more from them.

See post 24.

27 posted on 04/16/2003 9:29:49 AM PDT by Zon
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To: heckler
His problem is that he has socialist leanings.
28 posted on 04/16/2003 9:31:02 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
socialist = marxist
29 posted on 04/16/2003 9:32:02 AM PDT by Principled
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
bttt for later
30 posted on 04/16/2003 9:39:54 AM PDT by citizen (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!)
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park

"don’t you think they might lower prices to gain market share?"

JM, NO!! I think{?} companies will return more tax free money to investors in order to lure more tax free money into the company.

Have you noticed the price competition in just about every product and service? Companies that don't lower the price of their products to what the market is paying won't have any investors when their competitors outsell them by two to one because they have lower prices. Being outsold at two to one because a company refuses to lower their prices soon results into being outsold by three to one then five to one and outsold into bankruptcy.

31 posted on 04/16/2003 9:42:53 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Enduring Freedom
Amen

The slave pays wages to the master at the point of a gun.
32 posted on 04/16/2003 9:43:12 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Taxman; Bigun; ancient_geezer
Take a look at this crapola.
33 posted on 04/16/2003 9:44:57 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
The beauty of the Fair Tax is that it drastically reduces the ability of government to "shape" society. I guess to a marxist that might seem devastating.
34 posted on 04/16/2003 9:45:13 AM PDT by heckler (wiskey for my men, beer for my horses ,sexy for me)
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To: Taxman; ancient_geezer
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
35 posted on 04/16/2003 9:45:32 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: heckler
I guess to a marxist that might seem devastating.

Indeed. Hence the howling and lies so often heard from the far left.

They'll do ANYTHING to keep the income tax from being eliminated... it's the marxists' life-blood (along with the socialists').

36 posted on 04/16/2003 9:49:27 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled; heckler
Want to know wher the "Progressive" income tax comes from?(You will find it in the Manifesto of the Communist Party second section, toward the end.)
37 posted on 04/16/2003 10:04:21 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Almost anything would be better than this country's current tax system, so quit bitching about what MIGHT happen and start worrying about what IS happening.

There's so many Chicken Littles that don't realize they're their own worst enemies. Of course, there are one or two people on the tax threads that have a vested interest in the tax quagmire and will fight tooth and nail and obfuscate to continue the quagmire.

38 posted on 04/16/2003 10:05:33 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Paulus Invictus

As a small businessman, I spent more than 12 days just preparing my data for the tax accountant who has to help me make some sense of the Tax Code

"Consider also how replacing onerous-filing income taxes with a never-file sales tax would promptly boom today’s dying economy -- promptly boom entrepreneurial enterprises, big-and-small businesses, the professions, the arts -- promptly boom the quality of life for everyone.  Realize how lower-and-middle income classes -- those who most avidly demand wealth redistributions -- would benefit the most by eliminating earned-income taxation on all individuals and businesses. …Income taxation by nature destroys the future -- destroys job-and-wealth-creating earnings, savings, investments, capital, and the most-precious commodity -- time." 

http://www.neo-tech.com/pax-b1/c1.php

39 posted on 04/16/2003 10:06:41 AM PDT by Zon
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park; Enduring Freedom; Polybius; JohnGalt; Black Bart
But wouldn't your "Old Money Harry's" still get over with a flat tax? They live off wealth, not income. It seems to me the only way they would pay would be through a sales tax. I guess I could be wrong, but logic tells me I may not be.
40 posted on 04/16/2003 10:13:49 AM PDT by Ga Rob (I'm not the cause of your problems.....you are!!)
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