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To: Non-Sequitur; HenryLeeII
[Non-Sequitur] The trial would have been as fair as it could have been, given the location and the circumstances, and Davis would have been convicted. He would have been able to appeal his conviction to the Supreme Court if necessary....

Is it possible that the appeal to the Supreme Court was a major concern?

On November 30, 1868, Davis' lawyers filed a motion to quash the indictment. A hearing was held before Chase and Underwood on Dec 3-4, and on Dec 5, they announced that they had split, with Chase wanting to set aside the indictment, and Underwood, who had overseen the grand jury responsible for the indictment, wanting the case to be tried. Chase stated for the record that he believed the 14th Amendment exempted Davis from further prosecution.

The certificate of division between Chase and Underwood was forwarded to the Supreme Court, and the indictment technically remained pending, but no more action was taken. The Davis case remained on the circuit court docket for February 15, 1869, but the government indicated at that time that it would not prosecute (nolle prosequi).

It would seem that Chase was clearly indicating he would favor overturning a guilty verdict and that could have made the government hesitant to proceed.

The government could not claim an automatic win in the Supreme Court. They must have learned that from Ex Parte Milligan.

934 posted on 05/06/2003 12:14:06 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
Chief Justice Chase objected to the trial of Davis and the other memebers of the confederate regime on 5th Amendment grounds as I have said on numerous occasions, and not, as others have said, because Chief Justice Chase believed that secession was legal or that a conviction could not be obtained. The comments you quoted are the result of speculation on what might have happened had Davis been tried before the 14th Amendment had passed. If that had been the case then Davis would have been convicted. No other outcome would have been allowed for. He would have had the chance to appeal his conviction, something not available to a person with similar conviction in the Davis confederacy, and it's possible that a conviction would have been overturned if suitable grounds existed. It wasn't a slam dunk.

Now, perhaps you will answer the question I asked of you a number of days ago. Is it your contention that the government knew it was acting illegally when military tribunals were set up in states like Indiana? Obviously the court ruled in Milligan that such tribunals were not needed in states like Indiana where the court system operated. But are you suggesting that the administration knew it was illegal when they initiated them?

935 posted on 05/06/2003 12:52:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nolu chan
Is it possible that the appeal to the Supreme Court was a major concern?

Why should it be? The Chief Justice's desire to set aside the indictment in 1868 was due to his opinion that the passage of the 14th Amendment made any conviction of Davis an unconstitutional violation of his 5th Amendment rights.

Had the trial been held in 1866 then Supreme Court review was nothing to fear. Since the administration was insisting on a trial by federal court instead of military tribunal then the problems uncovered by the Milligan decision wouldn't be an issue.

938 posted on 05/07/2003 4:02:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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