HenryLeeII: General Washington is not speaking out against the concept of secession.
WhiskeyPapa: He did though. [Author of the Real Lincoln…Reply No. 882]
You're getting to be like the Clinton's in the fact that you can't keep your tales straight.
And if you're going to quote Madison about the Constitution, how about something he wrote during the ratification debates which is more relevant than a letter he wrote 40+ years after the fact. The fact that you don't know that Madison's Constitution is based on the concept of dual sovereignty (Federal government has enumerated delegated powers, and the states/people retain all others)is simply mind-boggling.
But given the fact that Washington said plainly that to be fearful of giving Congress ample authority over the state governments was "the very climax of popular absuridty and madness", and that he urged an "immovable attachment" to the national Union, don't you think it a bit strange that his image appears on the Great Seal of the CSA?
Walt
When did I say that?
Walt
President Washington indicated that any idea that the Union can be ended should be rejected.
That pretty much includes secession too.
Walt
Madison ultimately favored a supremacy of the federal government, just as Washington did.
I haven't seen any dual sovereignty quotes from Madison. Maybe I just missed them.
The states retain some sovereignty under the Constitution, but the ultimate sovereeignty rests on the people and is expressed through the federal government.
Walt