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To: WhiskeyPapa
754 Walt
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You sprang Athena like from the head of Zeus with the old saw of (paraphrasing) "Lincoln freed the slaves where he had no authority and left them alone where he did."
There are two alternatives for posting this: ignorance or malevolence. Which applies to you?
Walt
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To: A. Patriot
Could someone tell me if it is true that the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in areas that the U.S. government did NOT control? That slaves in other areas such as Maryland were freed later when the 14th Amendment was passed?
Yes.
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Walt

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812 posted on 05/02/2003 7:35:47 PM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan; HenryLeeII
As an aside, it would be ludicrous to assume that Chase would rule otherwise in Texas v White, doing so would have made him complicit in the trashing of the Constitution. Lincoln once said, 'The South has violated the Constitution to break up the Union; I am ready to violate it to preserve the Union; and between you and me, Chase, before we get through, this Constitution is going to have a tough time.'

Also, Chase held that Texas had never left - if true then the acts of the state were legitimate and the decision re: the bonds wrong. Only by holding that Texas was not a state would his decision have merit. Justice Grier, who authored the Prize Cases dissented in TvW (5-3), holding that Texas was not a state in the union.

As another aside, I remember reading where someone asserted that President Davis did not want to be tried. He did, as documented by Rev. J. William Jones (author of Personal reminiscences, anecdotes, and letters of Gen. Robert E. Lee and other works):

'O that they had dared give me [Davis] the trial I so much coveted, and for which I so earnestly begged, in order that I might have opportunity to vindicate my people and their cause before the world and at the bar of history! They knew that I would have been triumphantly acquitted, and our people purged of all taint of treason, and they never dared to bring my case to trial."'

Chase told Stanton, 'If you bring these leaders to trial [Davis & Benjamin], it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution, secession is not rebellion', and that Davis capture was a mistake, and his 'trial will be a greater one. We cannot convict him of treason.'

816 posted on 05/02/2003 8:26:55 PM PDT by 4CJ ('No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.' - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: nolu chan
I don't know how to make this more plain to you.

You suggested a position on the meaning of the EP that a reading of any general history of the war would have told you was false.

Now, did you take that position in ignorance, or malevolence?

Walt

821 posted on 05/03/2003 4:45:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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