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To: HenryLeeII
And regarding the Militia Act, it states insurrection, not withdrawal.

No state has ever withdrawn from the Union.

The Act leaves it up to the president to decide when insurrection is active.

That's the law.

Walt

784 posted on 05/02/2003 10:34:13 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
No state has ever withdrawn from the Union. The [Militia] Act leaves it up to the president to decide when insurrection is active. That's the law.

Your "reasoning" is completely baseless. What you are saying is that, because the Southern states were prevented for staying withdrawn (which they had already done), a right that they had was taken away and a new law created through simple military force with no constitutional precedent or Federal law being cited. This type of "reasoning" is completely asinine. Your argument would be laughed out of a freshman-level survey course!

786 posted on 05/02/2003 10:53:56 AM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: WhiskeyPapa; nolu chan; HenryLeeII
No state has ever withdrawn from the Union.

Wrong. Which union do you mean? The union that Lincoln claims created the states? Georgia was not included in the Articles of Association. All the original 13 states seceded from the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union..

No state has ever been out of the Union. (from your #787)

See above. Also North Carolina was out of the union for 9 months, Rhode Island & Providence Plantations was out of the union for over a year.

No state has ever been out of the Union for an instant since the Articles of Confederation were passed. (from your #789)

Wrong. Your "instant" lasted about as long as the "perpetual" union. Additionally, the Confederate states were out of the union for years - they were readmitted to the union via ratifying the 13th Amendment, then kicked out for refusing to ratify the 14th, only to be readmitted again when illegal military governments were instituted.

813 posted on 05/02/2003 8:01:18 PM PDT by 4CJ ('No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid.' - Alexander Hamilton)
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