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To: nolu chan
[WhiskeyPapa] In 1942, the Court denied Habeas Corpus petetitions filed on behalf of German agents captured in New York and Florida. President Roosevelt ordred that six, as I recall, be executed at noon the next day. By 1:30 thet were all dead. Clearly under Milligan New York and Florida were not theaters of war.

This claim about these unlawful combatants has more than a few problems.

Who used the term "unlawful combatants"?

What am I missing? The Court said in Milligan that military courts should not operate where civilian courts -could- operate. Could civilian Courts NOT operate in New York and Florida in 1942?

Poor smucky Germans all got executed, but they had to know that was part of the deal. Had the 1942 Court followed the Milligan precedent, they might have had a few more months of prison food.

My point is that the government needs and takes actions that seem extreme --once the shooting stops.

Trying to blast President Lincoln based on the Milligan decision is just hindsight, and silly.

Walt

601 posted on 04/24/2003 5:58:33 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
[nolu chan] This claim about these unlawful combatants has more than a few problems.

[WhiskeyPapa] Who used the term "unlawful combatants"?

[WhiskeyPapa] What am I missing? The Court said in Milligan that military courts should not operate where civilian courts -could- operate. Could civilian Courts NOT operate in New York and Florida in 1942?

You brought up the Germans. What you are missing is in Ex Parte Quirin.

Lawful combatants are subject to capture and detention as prisoners of war by opposing military forces. Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

The Germans were held to be unlawful combatants and subject to trial by military tribunal.

614 posted on 04/24/2003 4:19:38 PM PDT by nolu chan
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