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To: GOPcapitalist
Fact 1: Lysander Spooner's book, "The Unconstitutionality of Slavery" (1845) recieved formal endorsement by the Liberty Party, arguably the most important early abolitionist party, in 1849 as their key philosophical text.

Added Fact 1: In August 1848 at Buffalo, New York, a meeting of anti-slavery members of the Whig Party and the Liberty Party established the Free-Soil Party. The new party opposed the extension of slavery into the western territories. The main slogan of the party was "free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men".

In the 1848 presidential election, Martin Van Buren, the party's candidate, polled 10 per cent of the vote. He split the traditional Democratic support and enabled the Whig candidate, Zachary Taylor, to win.

By 1852 the Free-Soil Party had 12 congressmen but in presidential election, John P. Hale won over 5 per cent of the vote. Two years later, remaining members joined the Republican Party.

Fact 2: Gerritt Smith, one of the only true abolitionists to ever gain a seat in the U.S. Congress, personally embraced that same book and used it as the philosophical basis of his own abolitionist arguments.

Added Fact 2: Wealthy New York philanthropist Gerritt Smith financed Lysander Spooner to write "The Unconsitutionality of Slavery" and other abolitionist tracts.

Added Fact 3: Gerrit Smith was the unsuccessful presidential candidate for what was left of the Liberty Party in 1848 and 1852.

Sounds to me like the abolitionist movement in general and the original Liberty party membership in particular, weren't too impressed with Lysander Spooner or Gerritt Smith. While the Free-soilers went on to play a spoilers role in the presidential election in 1848 and eventually send a dozen men to Congress, the Liberty party with Garritt and Spooner went..nowhere.

More concrete evidence that Spooner and his cohorts were fringe players on the American abolitionist movement's stage.

But then that would depend on your definition of a 'true' abolitionist, wouldn't it?

518 posted on 04/19/2003 2:56:12 PM PDT by mac_truck (Ora et Labora)
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To: mac_truck
Sounds to me like the abolitionist movement in general and the original Liberty party membership in particular, weren't too impressed with Lysander Spooner or Gerritt Smith.

Though you have demonstrated your ability to utilize the internet in finding and plagiarizing a website, your "facts" simply do not support that conclusion. You are confusing the Free-Soilers (who were by definition what their name said - those who wanted free soil in the territories) with the abolitionists (who also wanted what their name said - the abolition of slavery). An abolitionist could be a Free-Soiler and some of them were, but not all Free-Soilers were abolitionists and far from it. In fact, the most successful Free-Soilers - as in the ones who won election to office and later became the Republicans - were NOT abolitionists.

While the Free-soilers went on to play a spoilers role in the presidential election in 1848 and eventually send a dozen men to Congress, the Liberty party with Garritt and Spooner went..nowhere.

I'm sure that would come as news to Smith, Spooner and any competant historian. Smith won election to Congress in 1852, which, the last time I checked, occurred 4 years after 1848. As for Spooner, his book became the subject of discussions on the floor of Congress at many points in the 1850's, which, the last time I checked, also occurred after 1848.

More concrete evidence that Spooner and his cohorts were fringe players on the American abolitionist movement's stage.

Not really. All you offered, mac, was a small list of only loosely relevant facts that you stole off of a website then misinterpreted and mistook for evidence of something that it was not. About the only thing you "evidenced" with that little charade was your willingness to engage in plagiarism and your inability to make even the most basic dinstinctions between free-soilers and abolitionists.

Well, mac, it seems you have thoroughly embarrassed yourself yet again, so I suppose that, rather than respond like a reasonable person and apologize for your errors, you will bombard me with the usual barrage of inane name calling with not a word of substance. It's par for the course though...

mac_truck => as in hit by one.

519 posted on 04/19/2003 3:27:15 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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