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To: GOPcapitalist
Marx adored Lincoln and sang his praises in the form of arguments not unlike those you are currently using right here on this forum.

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.

357 posted on 04/17/2003 6:14:16 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD, FRM, RFA)
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To: Corin Stormhands
That is a LIE.

Go read the Beards, neo-Marxists, and read what they say about Lincoln. They call him a fool, etc.

Please remember that Marxist history calls for a destruction of someone like Lincoln's reputation.
359 posted on 04/17/2003 6:21:59 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Corin Stormhands
If Marx really liked Lincoln, I'm sure a good Marxist, collectivist like you would adore Lincoln. So it isn't the case.
360 posted on 04/17/2003 6:22:49 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Corin Stormhands
Marx adored Lincoln and sang his praises in the form of arguments not unlike those you are currently using right here on this forum.

And later socialists like Edgar Lee Masters wrote scathing biographies of Lincoln. Must have changed their minds, hun?

361 posted on 04/17/2003 6:24:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Corin Stormhands; Coop; rebelyell
Let the feelings Senator Sumner expressed be directed to you. Substitute your names for Mr. Butler or Senator Butler.

But, before entering upon the argument, I must say something of a general character, particularly in response to what has fallen from Senators who have raised themselves to eminence on this floor in championship of human wrongs. I mean the Senator from South Carolina (Mr. Butler), and the Senator from Illinois (Mr. Douglas), who, though unlike as Don Quixote and Sancho Panza, yet, like this couple, sally forth together in the same adventure. I regret much to miss the elder Senator from his seat; but the cause, against which he has run a tilt, with such activity of animosity, demands that the opportunity of exposing him should not be lost; and it is for the cause that I speak. The Senator from South Carolina has read many books of chivalry, and believes himself a chivalrous knight, with sentimcuts of honor and courage. Of course he has chosen a mistress to whom he has made his vows, and who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him; though polluted in the sight of the world, is chaste in his sight I mean the harlot, Slavery. For her, his tongue is always profuse in words. Let her be impeached in character, or any proposition made to shut her out from the extension of her wantonness, and no extravagance of manner or hardihood of assertion is then too great for this Senator. The frenzy of Don Quixote, in behalf of his wench, Dulcinea del Toboso, is all surpassed. The asserted rights of Slavery, which shock equality of all kinds, are cloaked by a fantastic claim of equality. If the slave States cannot enjoy what, in mockery of the great fathers of the Republic, he misnames equality under the Constitution in other words, the full power in the National Territories to compel fellowmen to unpaid toil, to separate husband and wife, and to sell little children at the auction block then, sir, the chivalric Senator will conduct the State of South Carolina out of the Union! Heroic knight ! Exalted Senator! A second Moses come for a second exodus!

But not content with this poor menace, which we have been twice told was " measured," the Senator in the unrestrained chivalry of his nature, has undertaken to apply opprobrious words to those who differ from him on this floor. He calls them "sectional and fanatical;" and opposition to the usurpation in Kansas he denounces as "an uncalculating fanaticism." To be sure these charges lack all grace of originality, and all sentiment of truth; but the adventurous Senator does not hesitate. He is the uncompromising, unblushing representative on this floor of a flagrant sectionalism, which now domineers over the Republic, and yet with a ludicrous ignorance of his own position unable to see himself as others see him—or with an effrontery which even his white head ought not to protect from rebuke, he applies to those here who resist his sectionalism the very epithet which designates himself. The men who strive to bring back the Government to its original policy, when Freedom and not Slavery was sectional, he arraigns as sectional. This will not do. It involves too great a perversion of terms. I tell that Senator that it is to him self, and to the "organization" of which he is the " committed advocate," that this epithet belongs. I now fasten it upon them. For myself, I care little for names; but since the question has been raised here, I affirm that the Republican party of the Union is in no just sense sectional, but, more than any other party, national; and that it now goes forth to dislodge from the high places of the Government the tyrannical sectionalism of which the Senator from South Carolina is one of the maddest zealots.
362 posted on 04/17/2003 6:24:46 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Corin Stormhands
If you're going to play that game:

"Since the Civil War, in which the Southern States were conquered, against all historical logic and common sense, the American people have been in a condition of political and popular decay. The beginnings of a great new social order based on the principle of slavery and inequality were destroyed by that war, and with it also the embryo of a future truly great America." Adolph Hitler, 1933
368 posted on 04/17/2003 6:34:29 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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