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To: BADROTOFINGER
Stating that an entire religion of One Billion people is an "evil and wicked religion" based on the wicked acts of a few is NOT "reasoned opinion." Graham reminds me of the idiots at Second Baptist Church here in Houston, who caused a great deal of ill-will and anger because they held a "rally" in the parking lot of their new mega-church building (the pastor makes $200,000 a year).

They held large signs and banners proclaiming that "Hinduism is a religion of the devil," and such. When Hindus in the community--many of whom live in the SAME NEIGHBORHOOD as the church building--protested, and decried this intolerant and intolerable exhibition of pointless stupidity, the Second Baptist folks all responded as you do: "How can you say this is intolerant? We have just looked at the truth. We are not disrespecting these people, just their religion," blahblahblah.

I mean, what is the point? It's just idiocy.

103 posted on 04/16/2003 6:52:38 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Stating that an entire religion of One Billion people is an "evil and wicked religion" based on the wicked acts of a few is NOT "reasoned opinion."

Then please prove it. I have read Mr. Graham's comments, and checked about half of his claims (I do have to work for a living, after all), and found them to be factual. I have read large portions of the Koran, and found it to be schizophrenic (sp?); one page with some beautiful and life-affirming words, then the next with vile hatred of the 'non-believers'. And many calls for action from both sides, some action good, and some just plain evil. You probably think that I am just some redneck clymer, but reasoned opinion is just that, reasoned opinion. If it is simply emotionally charged religious bigotry, please point out the factual errors in Mr. Graham's words. I have looked and found none, but my work in that area is admittedly, incomplete.

Graham reminds me of the idiots at Second Baptist Church here in Houston, who caused a great deal of ill-will...blah, blah, blah, and, and, and...

Again, you change the subject and compare Graham to what apparently are real bigots, and then claim them to be one and the same. Allow me to explain something to you, mainly the 'straw man' arguement I made earlier.

A straw-man arguement is when you change what one with an opposing opinion says in order to make it something against which you have an arguement. You build a 'straw man', or a fake to represent that arguement which you have been called upon to engage in. Then you do everything that you can to disguise this straw man as the arguement that you have been called upon to engage. Then you gleefully smash it with no resistance (it is after all, a sham, and not capable of defense, since you created it for your own purposes), then boast about the superiority of your own arguement, without actually having to prove it. That was the second time on this thread that you have done so.

Like I said before, if you could distill your arguement to disproving Graham's facts and exposing flaws in his logic, you would do much better in the arguement. But that is much more difficult than knocking down rickety old scarecrows...JFK

116 posted on 04/16/2003 7:07:55 AM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: Illbay
Stating that an entire religion of One Billion people is an "evil and wicked religion" based on the wicked acts of a few is NOT "reasoned opinion."

Well there's where you're wrong--Mr. Graham didn't base his comments on the acts of a few. He has worked and continues to work in several Islamic countries including Sudan and Indonesia. He's seen first hand the type of oppression this religion of Islam inflicts upon those who are under its curse. The problems associated with Islam are fundamental ones that make it inherently incompatible with Western (Christian influenced) cultures like the one we enjoy here in the U.S. You can stick your head in the sand and ignore the fact that it's enveloping our culture, but get out of the way of those of us who are not afraid to call a spade a spade, coward.

139 posted on 04/16/2003 9:21:18 AM PDT by Egg
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