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Iraqi defeat jolts Russian military
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | April 16, 2003 | Fred Weir

Posted on 04/15/2003 5:52:59 PM PDT by Dubya

Defense and policy experts said last week that modernizing the Army is a top priority.

MOSCOW - In the US's easy defeat of Saddam Hussein's army, Russia sees a lesson for its own conventional forces.

The Iraqi Army - which was cloned from the Red Army in the final decades of the Soviet Union - mounted only a feeble defense before falling apart.

"The key conclusion we must draw from the latest Gulf war is that the obsolete structure of the Russian armed forces has to be urgently changed," says Vladimir Dvorkin, head of the Russian Defense Ministry's official think tank on strategic nuclear policy. "The gap between our capabilities and those of the Americans has been revealed, and it is vast. We are very lucky that Russia has no major enemies at the moment, but the future is impossible to predict, and we must be ready."

The swift victory by mobile, high-tech American forces over heavily armored Iraqi troops dug in to defend large cities like Baghdad has jolted many Russian military planners. "The Iraqi Army was a replica of the Russian Army, and its defeat was not predicted by our generals," says Vitaly Shlykov, a former deputy defense minister of Russia.

Like its Soviet prototype, Iraq's Army was huge but made up mainly of young, poorly trained conscripts. Its battle tactics called for broad frontal warfare, with massed armor and artillery, and a highly centralized command structure. But those forces were trounced in a few days by relatively small numbers of US and British forces, who punched holes in the Iraqi front using precision weapons and seized the country's power centers more rapidly than traditional military thinkers could have imagined. "The military paradigm has changed, and luckily we didn't have to learn that lesson firsthand," says Yevgeny Pashentsev, author of a book on Russian military reform. "The Americans have rewritten the textbook, and every country had better take note."

Last week, the independent Council on Foreign and Defense Policy - a group of top Russian military experts and former policymakers, including Mr. Shlykov - met to assess the implications of the US triumph in Iraq for Russia. Their conclusion: The Kremlin must drop all post-Soviet pretense that Russia remains a superpower, and make rebuilding and redesigning the nation's military forces a top priority. "We cannot afford to postpone this any longer," Boris Nemtsov, head of the liberal Union of Right Forces, told the meeting.

Twelve years after the USSR's collapse, the most unreformed branch of Russian society remains its armed forces. Though its numbers have been halved to about 1.2 million personnel, and its annual budget has dropped to a mere $10 billion, the structure, weaponry, and doctrines of today's Russian military remain those of its Soviet predecessor. Each Russian defense minister since 1991 has pledged sweeping reform, yet more than half of the Army's combat forces remain ill-trained conscripts required to serve for two years for just 100 rubles ($3) a month. Aside from the strategic nuclear forces, no branch of the Russian military has acquired significant quantities of modern weaponry in more than a decade.

According to a Defense Ministry survey in early 2003, cited in the daily Izvestia, more than a third of Russian officers and their families live below the poverty line, and fewer than half of the officers want to remain in the service.

Critics say that military manpower must be at least halved again, and the draft abolished in order to make reform feasible. "We can afford an army comparable to those of France or Britain, but hard decisions must be made," says Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent defense expert. Adequate spending for equipment, training, and payment of professional troops is key, he says.

Others say that Russia also must define a clear post-Soviet security doctrine. "How can we reform our Army when we have not defined the threats it must deal with?" says Mr. Dvorkin. "We must first identify our national interests, then we'll know who our enemies might be."

As the US prepared to invade Iraq, many Russian military experts warned that American forces would come to grief in the streets of Iraqi cities. Some predicted the battle of Baghdad would resemble the Russian Army's two assaults on the Chechen capital of Grozny - in 1995 and again in 2000 - each of which lasted more than a month and cost hundreds of Russian casualties.

Early in the Iraq war, the Russian online newspaper Gazeta.ru reported that two retired Soviet generals may have played a key role in designing Iraq's defenses. The paper published photos of Vladimir Achalov, an expert in urban warfare, and Igor Maltsev, a specialist in air defenses, receiving medals from Iraq's defense minister two weeks before the war began. Russian TV later quoted General Maltsev as saying "the American invaders will be buried in the streets of Baghdad."

Some in Russia's military establishment still appear reluctant to accept the sweeping military verdict in Iraq. "I think American dollars won the war, it was not a military victory," says Gen. Makhmut Gareyev, president of the official Academy of Military Sciences in Moscow. "The Americans bought the Iraqi military leadership with dollars. One can only envy a state that is so rich."

But others are obviously shaken. "Thank God our public has finally begun to discuss the state of the Army," General Vladimir Shamanov, who commanded Russian troops in two Chechnya wars, told a Moscow radio station after the extent of the US-led triumph in Iraq became clear last week. "Maybe our strategic nuclear forces will protect the country for another decade, but then what? A strong Russia is impossible without a strong army."

One bright note for Moscow, however, is a report that Iraqi forces used Russian-made, laser-guided antitank missiles to destroy several Abrams tanks during the US attack. This could boost profits for Russian armsmakers, who are already receiving inquiries from Syria and Iran, according to Shlykov.

The US has complained that Russia supplied Iraq with defense equipment in violation of UN sanctions. "As a result of the Iraq war and accusations of illegal Russian arms deliveries, applications for Russian weapons have soared," Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said last week.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Dubya
Bad predictions of all time:

Russian TV later quoted General Maltsev as saying "the American invaders will be buried in the streets of Baghdad."

22 posted on 04/15/2003 6:08:25 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Dubya
Well, the technology and funding are important, but the chief message should not be that throwing money at the problem solves it, because that's what many of the Gulf states have tried and it doesn't work. What we are also seeing is the contrast between a highly-trained, highly-motivated volunteer force and poorly-trained and supported conscripts working for a tyrant who would sooner shoot them and their families than the enemy (and does so) since it's safer. Some American commander commented that they could swap equipment and he'd still win. I think that's why.
23 posted on 04/15/2003 6:09:33 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Retrofire
The Russian military sucks. It's always sucked, and until they completely revamp their order of battle, philosophy, and unit structure, they will continue to suck.

It will be hard to do so long as they have an authoritarian society. They always try to reverse engineer our cababilities, but we always stay ahead.

24 posted on 04/15/2003 6:09:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Rest in pieces Saddam!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
LOL
25 posted on 04/15/2003 6:10:17 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Russian TV later quoted General Maltsev as saying "the American invaders will be buried in the streets of Baghdad."

They are dumb.

26 posted on 04/15/2003 6:11:15 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
Well, it's true!
27 posted on 04/15/2003 6:12:39 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Become a Monthly Donor to Free Republic. Please?)
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To: Billthedrill
Thats well put.

Our guys are good.

They are the best.
28 posted on 04/15/2003 6:12:54 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
They need to be prepared in case the French back into them.
29 posted on 04/15/2003 6:13:13 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Dubya
Gulf War I was a shock to them, no doubt, perhaps a greater shock than that kid, Rust, who flew his small plane to land in Red Square. This recent war, whatever else it may have demonstrated, showed that the first Gulf War was no fluke and that the disparity is even greater now. It doesn't matter, though, since there will be no war with Russia.
30 posted on 04/15/2003 6:14:16 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Dubya
I read it somewhere the even Israel was shocked at how easily we did this.
31 posted on 04/15/2003 6:15:55 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Support Our Troops or get the hell out of the USA.)
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To: All
I wish I knew how to post this picture. It is worth a thousand words.

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32 posted on 04/15/2003 6:16:37 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Brillant!
33 posted on 04/15/2003 6:17:14 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: AGreatPer
I read that also now that you mentioned it. I had forgot about it.
34 posted on 04/15/2003 6:18:16 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Good post.
35 posted on 04/15/2003 6:19:17 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Retrofire
Thanks for this info.
36 posted on 04/15/2003 6:20:24 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Liberals are Evil Socialists!
I'm with you on that.
They are nuts.
37 posted on 04/15/2003 6:21:16 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Billthedrill
We will not face any serious competition or threat until one of these enemies produces a higly motivated force to fight against us.

Then the training and the equipment will be edges, but only so far as our own motivation to stand, fight and advance continues to exceed their motivation to get at us.

World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam war to some extent were examples where the enemy forces was much more motivated and hurt us. But even then, when we decided to fight, advance and take ground ... while they hindered uis and hurt us, in the end they could not stop us.

My impression is that we can be hurt by a highly motivated force that is relatively well armed and provisioned and who has superior numbers and willing to fight unconventionally, but our liberty, commitment to moral principle, inginuity and technology still trumps their fanatical and usually tyranical motivation. Flight 93 showed us this on a small scale ... a scale that can be directly projected (IMHO) on future conflicts between the systems.

Great comments. Best regards.

38 posted on 04/15/2003 6:22:43 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Dubya
I wonder why so many countries thought this was going to be such a tough war? Most of us at FR didn't seem to think we would have any problems unless they used WMD's on our troops. But it seems like other countries had no idea what the American military was capable of.
40 posted on 04/15/2003 6:24:17 PM PDT by knak
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