American Airlines Flight Attendants "Narrowly Reject" Concessions - AMR Headed For Bankruptcy

Fox News Channel ^ | April 15, 2003 | N/A

[Illbay]

Could be a long summer for airline travel!

[Mulder]

So what's the average salary of these Flight attendants, and what are the hours, shifts, and what are the perks?

Double my example to $104K per year.. and it still only comes out to $8 per flight.

Anyway, why should the flight attendants suffer when they aren't the ones responsible for the financial state of the airlines?

The financial problems of the airlines are solely due to the politicans and executives who have turned them into virtual prisons.

[MonroeDNA]

Nice as they may be, Ronald Reagan taught us all that unions are anti-capitalist.

Unions get what they deserve.

[honway]

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In case you missed the programs, Beck is convinced Jayna Davis is right.

[MonroeDNA]

How many flights per year are there, and how many flight attendants?

What is the total cost?

[Mulder]

You need to take a senior FA's salary ($45-50K) and do your calculation.

Fair enough.. make it $104K a year, and it still comes out to only 8 dollars per ticket.

What is going on here is the PHB's are doing what a friend of mine calls majoring in the minors.

They can cut the FA's salaries by 50% and it still doesn't alter the fact that folks like me simply aren't going to fly anymore until some more fundamental issues are addressed.

Until such "issues" are addressed satisfactorily, the airlines will continue to lose money.

[sinkspur]

Some things in life are worth the price, and I can't think of too many better bargains than paying $4 to flirt with and stare at 4 women at 30,000 feet.

I can tell you don't fly much lately.

First, most of the women have seen some track. I live across the street from an AA FA, 20 years in the business. She's got the body of a 20 year old, and the face of a 50 year old; her actual age is 38.

In addition, the flights I take on AA seem to always have male stews on them.

I've seen some talent on SW flights, but, even there you run across ladies in shorts who shouldn't wear shorts.

[Mulder]

How many flights per year are there, and how many flight attendants?

The question I'd ask is: "how many flights per year are there, and how many senior managers"?

[strela]

The flight attendant's union is to have a revote, ending tomorrow.

Current totals at http://apfa.org

APFA/AAL Restructuring Participation Agreement

Yes 9,309

No 9,842

Ineligible (can't follow simple instructions/possible vote fraud) 462

Total Votes Cast 19,151

[Mulder]

I can tell you don't fly much lately.

In the year preceeding 9/11: 20,000 miles.

Since then: 0 miles

First, most of the women have seen some track.

LOL! Nothing wrong with older women.... (Ben Franklin wrote an essay on the subject....)

She's got the body of a 20 year old, and the face of a 50 year old.

Nothing wrong there that can't be fixed with a paper bag ;-)

I've seen some talent on SW flights, but, even there you run across ladies in shorts who shouldn't wear shorts.

You pays your money, you takes your chances....

[sinkspur]

Until such "issues" are addressed satisfactorily, the airlines will continue to lose money.

Well, some of us have to fly, so we learn how to play the game. No metal of any kind on your body, don't take change, pack corkscrews and fingernail clippers in checked bags.

Hey, Southwest is making money. There will likely be three or four large airlines around in three years, with much lower fares.

Piloting aircraft will only be a plum job to jet jockeys who didn't go to college, as the days of $250K per year captains will be gone forever.

[BluH2o]

Today I returned from Orlando, FL to Dayton, OH on Delta. Saturday, I had flown down to Orlando on Airtrans. Granted, this was a last minute booking and I was looking for a discount roundtrip ... I wasn't expecting much ... and I wasn't disappointed. The O/B trip on Airtrans was direct to Orlando ... the return on Delta required a connection in Atlanta. What impressed me is the difference in attitude in the employees. The Airtrans people were bright eyed and bushy tailed ... the Delta people seemed tired and washed out. The cabin attendants, so overweight their girth actually competed with the width of the carts they pushed up and down the isle, serving chimp food and uninspired beverages. The Airtrans flight attendants were younger, slimmer, enthusiastic, and much more in line with what the airlines used to be ... going back to my early years as a passenger, in the late sixties ... when a certain amount of glamour was still associated with the industry. Airtrans is none union, Delta, for the most part, union. Get the picture?

[SamAdams76]

You have got to be kidding. Southwest is only pleasurable if you like riding in a cattle car. Also, they board by the order you arrive, not by loading from the back of the plane first. So you get traffic jams in the aisle.

I didn't notice that at all. In fact the plane seemed to board much faster because everybody was grabbing choice seats just as fast as they could. Though I would change slightly their boarding policy. That is, issue numbers instead of letters and have people line up in the order that they arrived at check-in. That way you don't have to queue up at the gate after getting your letter.

Also, I'm not one of those jerks that have to be the first one off the plane. I'm talking about the people who are already out of their seat belts and hanging over the person next to them before the plane has even come to a stop. What I do is quietly sit, reading my book, until most of the people are off the plane and everybody is moving. Then I close my book and stroll off the plane like a normal person and by the time I get to the baggage carousel, the luggage is usually just getting on the belt. So I don't know what the big rush is with respect to getting off the plane. It doesn't make the luggage come any faster.

[Beck_isright]

"If you think Bill Clinton's FAA would have profiled at airline gates, you're dreaming."

It was Clintons' FAA and Freeh who wanted to initiate some type of profiling program!!!! Jesus, did anyone other than the FBI and other security agencies read the report posted in #182??????????????????????????????????

I give up. You're right. The government was complicit and allowed the hijackers to attack and kill all those people. The government should be held responsible. The airlines were innocent. You're right, I'm wrong. I'll just borrow one of your tinfoil hats and wear it to keep them from taking my guns too. And if any of your best friends work with the TSA, then you will know I'm right. I doubt that you'll ever be able to prove what happened then and the circus that is occuring now. The airport security problem is now being obstructed by local authorities. This too is ending as we speak. But I'm going to take your approach. I'm going to wrap my body in tinfoil to keep that harmful anti-airline radiation from permeating my soul.

[Beck_isright]

I did not miss the program and concur with some of the conclusions. Now what the hell does that have to do with airlines being run by retards?

[honway]

as the days of $250K per year captains will be gone forever.

That's for certain.
The list price of a 777 is $238 million. What do you think captains managing a quarter of a billion dollar asset over the middle of the Pacific with 300 souls on board will be paid in the future? $250 is too much.

[honway]

Now what the hell does that have to do with airlines being run by retards?

In your reply you blamed airlines for a national security failure.

[Beck_isright]

" I guess you are in the "public" sector."

You guess quite incorrectly. But then again many have. I do not have to make wild suppositions on what is happening. In case you were not aware, as many have forgotten, up to 9-10-01, one more time slowly for the tinfoil impaired,.... the airlines (that's the companies that own those big planes that haul people all over the world) were RESPONSIBLE (that means they, the corporation, officers and management) for the hiring, vetting and training (get a dictiionary now please) of ALL airport security employees. NOT THE FAA, NOT THE FBI, NOT BARNEY FIFE OR ANDY. What in the God **** hell is so hard to comprehend about that people?????????

Jesus H. Christ, this is like talking to a liberal.

[Beck_isright]

Read #182 and #277. They were responisible for gate security and employee screening. I give up. I'm going to buy a 500 ft roll of foil so I can join your blissfulness.

[WarSlut]

She don't wear no pants and she don't wear no tie
Always on the ball, she's always on strike
Struttin' up the aisle, big deal, you get to fly
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

Paid my fare, don't wanna complain
You get to me, you're always outta champagne
Treat me like a bum, don't wear no tie
'cause you ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

And the sign says, "Thank you very much for not smoking";
My own sign says, "I'm sorry, I'm smokin'";
Don't treat me special, don't kiss my ass
Treat me like the way they treat 'em up in first class

Sanitation expert and a maintenance engineer
Garbage man, a janitor and you my dear
A real union flight attendant, my oh my
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky
You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky

[sinkspur]

It was Clintons' FAA and Freeh who wanted to initiate some type of profiling program!!!! Jesus, did anyone other than the FBI and other security agencies read the report posted

I read it. It was doomed from the start, and Gore and his commission knew it. Clinton would never have profiled Arabs, and you and I and Al Gore know it.

Besides, this report was compromised from the start.

Gore and Clinton took boatloads of money from the airlines in 1996. There was no way this report was going to see the light of day!

Open your eyes, man. The government stalled like rented mules on this security effort, especially under Clinton.