As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

[FSPress]

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[FSPress]

I have read the posts on this and cannot believe how far to the left this site has gone. Now there are posters discussing which guns to ban, and other posters who see nothing wrong in anything Bush does.

[Uncle Bill]

The Assault Weapon Panic
"The Clinton ban not only criminalized the four or five million sportsmen who use these rifles, it also affected more than twenty million owners of self-loading competition and defense pistols, who can no longer buy magazines for their guns."

"It will send an unmistakable message: If you use a gun illegally, you will do hard time."
George W. Bush - Source

Welcome to Future Felons of America

Living the outlaw life: Freeing your inner outlaw
""The U.S. Code, which contains all federal statutes, occupies 56,009 single-spaced pages. Its 47 volumes take up nine feet of shelf space. An annotated version, which attempts to bring order out of chaos, is three feet long and has 230 hardcover volumes and 36 paperback supplements. Administrative lawmaking under statutes fill up the 207-volume Code of Federal Regulations, which spans 21 feet of shelf space and contains more than 134,488 pages of regulatory law. … Federal law is further augmented by more than 2,756 volumes of judicial precedent, taking up 160 yards of law library shelving."

And you’re certain you’re not breaking one of those laws?"

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how you keep a convicted felon from getting a gun without registration of firearms?

If you let them out of prison there is really no way to stop a thug from getting a firearm. He can steal one. He can buy it on the black market. He can have a friend go purchase one for him.

The only way to stop a thug from killing others with a gun is to keep him in prison the rest of his life or take his life.

Someone who has demonstrated they are a violent psycho who has no regard or respect for life should not be walking our streets.

[Godebert]

"My husband is a gun collector, member of the NRA and an avid hunter. He doesn't need an assault weapon and I don't think anyone else does. You can hardly say that an assualt weapon is a sportsmens gun. Well...flame away all"

Not a flame....just a question. Where did you get the idea that the 2nd Amendment was created for "sportsmen"?

[Uncle Bill]

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban

"I have a magazine extension that adds a one round extra capacity to a glock magazine. If I put this on my ten round magazine that makes the capacity eleven rounds, I have just committed a felony. It is a felony to modify a firearm magazine to hold merely one more round than a ten round magazine! What exactly makes the 11th round so evil that I could go to prison for it?! Answer: FEDERAL REGULATIONS of the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994."

You can bet I will be writing Senators and George Bush about this one. I will not vote for George Bush or anyone who votes to renew this totalitarian ban on firearms.

89 posted on 01/24/2003 3:40 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

TITLE 18 - PART I - CHAPTER 44 - Sec. 922. - Unlawful acts

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

I agree with you Diamond6. My husband is a gun collector, member of the NRA and an avid hunter. He doesn't need an assault weapon and I don't think anyone else does. You can hardly say that an assualt weapon is a sportsmens gun.

The Second Amendment reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

This Amendment is often misunderstood. A well-regulated militia means a well-maintained and armed body of men composed of the common people. The Amendment emphasizes that such militias are necessary to secure the freedoms of the people.

George Washington said on this subject, "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." Thomas Jefferson also stated, “"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

The Second Amendment is not about sport or hunting, it's about keeping a check against government power. Military type weapons are best to arm peace keeping unorganized militia in the U.S.A. to protect our liberties.

[Uncle Bill]

White House Background Brief on Assault Weapons

Current Results

Viewer Poll

Should Congress extend the so-called assault weapons ban?
See Story

Yes	5%
No	94%
Depends	1%

Conservative News Service

[bimbo]

… knowing that Tom Delay will nuke it. That's the political calculation.

I hope you are right.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

... tell me ... honestly ... why anyone needs to own an automatic assault rifle?

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban doesn't address automatic firearms. Those were banned from importation in 1986. Let me address the real problem here. If you let a whacko out of prison there is really no way to stop a thug from getting a firearm. He can steal one. He can buy it on the black market. He can have a friend go purchase one for him.

The only way to stop a thug from killing others with a gun is to keep him in prison the rest of his life or take his life.

Someone who has demonstrated they are a violent psycho who has no regard or respect for life should not be walking our streets.

Control the criminal, not the guns.

Also, read Post 567. It talks about the Second Amendment and how it protects our liberties.

[philman_36]

I've sure missed your flags. Always good stuff. Hope you and yours are doing well.

[2nd_Amendment_Defender]

Bush is going to lose these same 13 voters who show up on every gun related thread to profess they're leaving the party.

If Congress votes to re-authorize the 1994 Clinton/Feinstein federal so-called "Assault Weapons" ban, gives the bill to President Bush and he signs it into law, would you still vote for him in his bid for re-election to the Presidency in 2004?

Hell No, and I'll tell all of my friends to abandon him, too! 81.3% 960 votes

No. 12.8% 151 votes

Yes. 3.6% 43 votes

Yes, I would still vote for him, even after he proves that he's a traitor. 2.3% 27 votes

Total Votes: 1181

[philman_36]

From "Left, Right and Center"...
We have to redefine our terms, comprehend the nature of the beast.
That gets harder and harder to do. The nature of the beast is too much like a chameleon.
And it's one smart beasty too...it learns real quick.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how you keep a convicted felon from getting a gun without registration of firearms? I am not for registration, I just want to know how the seller is gonna know the buyer is a felon.

Funny, felons cannot be compelled to register their firearms, inasmuch as it violates their 5th Amendment protection against self-recrimination.

[RogueIsland]

He doesn't need an assault weapon and I don't think anyone else does.

Fortunately we have a Constitution to prevent the rest of us from being ruled by what various people with hangups about this or that "think" we need or don't need. Unfortunately, said Constitution is routinely flushed down the toilet by politicians right and left and center, and by a Judiciary more interested in implementing social policy than adhering to the Constitution.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Does that sound like a liberal?

Let's see: ignorant of basic legal and historical facts, political views based purely on emotion...yep, sounds like a liberal.

[ez]

He tried that with CFR, and lost.

Not yet. I thought the plan for CFR was to let the courts kill it.

[Stat-boy]

It is not uncommon for a scholar to assume that the 2A only applies to the militia only to be very surprised by it’s meaning after a careful study. See for example Sanford Levinson, The Embarrassing Second Amendment, 99 (1989): 637. http://www.guncite.com/journals/embar.html. Sanford’s article is one of the benchmarks of the current 2A debate; and anyone (especially an attorney) engaging in a meaningful Constitutional discussion should at least be familiar with it.

Here is an extensive list of law review articles about the meaning of the second amendment:

http://www.saf.org/AllLawReviews.html

Here is another list:

http://www.guncite.com/journals/index.html

My favorite article is The Second Amendment in the Nineteenth Century, 1998: 1359. http://www.i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/19thcentury.htm, by David Kopel. Take a look at what the primary legal minds from the early period of our Constitution said about the Second Amendment; the commentary is very on point.

Enjoy!

[B Knotts]

I have read the posts on this and cannot believe how far to the left this site has gone.

Sad, isn't it?

[philman_36]

I have read the posts on this and cannot believe how far to the left this site has gone.
It's called "influx". The site hasn't gone anywhere, but those inhabiting the site now vs the past...well, that's a whole new topic...again, see influx or infiltration. It was mild in the past, but now it is rampant and too many lurkers don't even bother to reply. They're just here "for the sport".
JMHO