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As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban
Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 04/14/2003 7:45:39 PM PDT by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/17/2003 6:40:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

As I Predicted, George W. Bush
Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

TooGood Reports
By Chuck Baldwin
Chuck Baldwin Website
April 15, 2003

In this column dated December 17, 2002, I predicted that President G.W. Bush would support the so-called assault weapons ban first promoted by former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Diane Feinstein back in 1994. Interestingly enough, the gun ban became law on the strength of a tie-breaking vote by then Vice President Al Gore. The ban is scheduled to sunset next year, but Bush is joining Clinton and Gore in supporting an extension.

Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

This must come as quite a blow to people such as the leaders of the National Rifle Association who campaigned heavily for Bush touting him as a "pro-gun" candidate. Since his election, the NRA and others have repeatedly reaffirmed their support for Bush, because he is "pro-gun." Well, now the mask is off!

I have tried to warn my readers that Bush is not a true conservative. He is not pro-life; he is not pro-family; he is not pro-Constitution. And now we know he is not pro-gun.

Instead of reversing the miserable policies of Clinton/Gore, Bush is helping to harden the cement around those policies. The gun issue is no exception.

The so-called assault weapons ban was the benchmark piece of legislation reflecting the anti-gun policies of people such as Clinton, Gore, Feinstein, and New York Senator Charles Schumer. It was also the number one target of the NRA. In fact, the NRA all but promised their supporters that a Bush presidency would help reverse this Draconian gun ban. Instead, Bush is pushing Congress to extend the ban.

A bill to reauthorize the gun ban will be introduced by Senator Feinstein in the coming weeks. It must pass both chambers of Congress to reach the President's desk. The best chance of stopping it will be in the House of Representatives. However, in order to defeat this bill, it must resist the power and influence of the White House. This will be no small task.

Not only is Bush betraying the pro-gun voters who helped elect him, he is breathing new life into a nearly dead anti-gun movement. Most political analysts credit Bush's pro-gun image as the chief reason he defeated Al Gore in the 2000 election. They also credit the pro-gun image of the Republican Party for helping them to achieve impressive wins in the 2002 congressional elections.

Now, Bush is giving new credibility to anti-gun zealots such as Schumer and Feinstein and is helping to reinvigorate the anti-gun momentum that had all but been put on ice.

However, the real question will be, "Will pro-gun conservatives continue to support Bush?" Bush is every bit the "Teflon President" that Clinton was. Conservatives seem willing to overlook anything he does, no matter how liberal or unconstitutional it may be. Will they overlook this, also?

If you truly believe in the Second Amendment and are willing to do something about it, I suggest you go to the Gun Owners of America website. They have a quick link set up which allows people an opportunity to conveniently send email to the White House about this issue. Go to the gun ban "alert" button. From there you can voice your disapproval with the President's decision to betray his constituents by supporting this new round of gun control.

Once again, the ball of freedom and constitutional government is in the court of the American people. Will they keep the ball and do something with it, or will they hand it off to the neo-conservatives at the White House? We'll see.


PLEASE Don't Sit out 2004, EVEN IF Bush signs the AW ban extention

Bush Supports New Extension Of Assault-Weapons Ban

Bush Backs Renewing Assault Weapons Ban



"That’s why I’m for instant background checks at gun shows. I’m for trigger locks."
George W. Bush - Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17,2000.

MORE INJUSTICE ON THE WAY - Bush GUN CONTROL
"Gene Healy, a Cato Institute scholar, recently provided a thorough exploration of the unintended consequences of one law, the new Bush-Ashcroft plan to federalize gun crimes, known as the Project Safe Neighborhoods program. The unintended consequences of this law are frightening."
NOTE: Same Article in Washington Times.

There Goes the Neighborhood: The Bush-Ashcroft Plan to "Help" Localities Fight Gun Crime, by Gene Healy

"W. Wimps Out on Guns"
The Bush package includes several pet causes of the gun-control lobby, including $75 million for gun locks; $15.3 million for 113 new federal attorneys to serve as full-time gun prosecutors; and $19.1 million to expand a program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms aimed at preventing youths from obtaining guns. Although Bush stressed that he simply wants to "enforce existing laws," the fine print of Project Safe echoes the gun-grabbing Left's call to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition clips."

Project Safe Neighborhoods, A Closer Look

LAURA BUSH:
"During her San Diego speech, for instance, she said nothing about the school shooting that occurred 20 miles away in El Cajon the day before, although in a television interview she condemned it, adding that she thinks more gun control laws are needed.

"I think that's very important," she said when asked by CNN whether stronger gun laws are needed."
Source.

EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT

A Gutless Supreme Court Decision - Gun Control

Republican Leadership Help Push Gun Control

Bush's Assault On Second Amendment

NEA Resource Text Guide In Regards To The Extreme Right - Where Do Your Kids Go To School?
"The radical right says it is pro-life but it bitterly opposes gun control legislation"

or

A Problem With Guns?


Thanks for that Patriot Act George


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; bang; banglist; bush; guns; secondamendment
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To: Mr. Mojo
Only those who have no principles.
541 posted on 04/15/2003 12:27:18 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Cultural Jihad
may carry C4 plastic explosives

Bzzzzzzzt WRONG.

What is an example of an illegal assault weapon?

542 posted on 04/15/2003 12:27:40 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: PuNcH
Hehehe.......
543 posted on 04/15/2003 12:28:55 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Jesse
"I believe that all citizens (until they screw up and are convicted of most felonies) have an unquestioned right to own unregistered firearms...whether single shot or semiautomatic, small or large"

Can someone PLEASE explain to me how you keep a convicted felon from getting a gun without registration of firearms? I am not for registration, I just want to know how the seller is gonna know the buyer is a felon.
544 posted on 04/15/2003 12:31:57 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: diamond6
Does somebody want to explain to me - objectively, without flaming me - why people should own assault weapons? Aren't these clearly weapons of war?

We need assault weapons to protect us from the clear and present danger that socialist democrat Baathists might take power and attempt to implement a terrorist regime (for example, Hillary Clinton).

545 posted on 04/15/2003 12:34:17 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Dan from Michigan
I don't know what Gore would have done, nor care since it doesn't matter.

Well Gore has stated that he wouldn't have gone into Iraq, basically stating that he would have left saddam stay in power and would have given a big smooch to the french and the UN.

Again JMO, but I think this will not pass the House. The last time in 94 it barely passed and that was with the sunset provision.

In 99 when the last big gun control measure came up some 43 demos broke with the leadership and with Pelosi being the head of the demos now, the hyperbole will be flying and those rural democrats will be more than willing to break with her.

546 posted on 04/15/2003 12:39:42 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Mini-14
No, you shouldn't be allowed to have a machine gun.

Just a thought here, but where do you get off telling me what I can and cannot have when it comes to a firearm ?

What's next ... that one shouldn't be allowed to have an SUV, a cigarette or a glass of beer ?

547 posted on 04/15/2003 12:41:43 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Cultural Jihad; diamond6
Ok multiple choice...

An example of an assault weapon is;
a) An AK rifle using multi finger action.
b) An AK rifle followed by # 47.
c) An AK rifle that fires armor piercing rounds.
d) An AK rifle with a built in clip.
e) An AK rifle with a folding handgrip and barrel extension.

548 posted on 04/15/2003 12:41:51 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: philman_36
Real liberation - April 14, 2003
"Since the liberation of Iraq last week, I've heard commentators, U.S. officials and newsmen talk about the future of a "democratic" Iraq. Is that what we want? Is that the best thing for Iraq? Is democracy really the highest political ideal?

Unequivocally, I say, no.

Our emphasis as Iraq's new big brother should be on human rights, not elections.

Democracy is a terrible form of government. That's why we don't believe in democracy here in the United States. That's why we don't practice it. That's why our founders had the vision to give us a constitutional republic that limited the government's authority over individuals. That's why we have a representative form of republican government."



"Help is on the way."


Left, Right and Center

The New World Order - NY Times - May 5, 1998 - ON MY MIND / By A.M. ROSENTHAL

Beware those ‘public-private partnerships’

Government and business in Monterrey {"Public Private Partnerships" for World Government}

Happy Dependence Day
"One of the most popular books of all time is "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," written in 1788 by Edward Gibbon. The book set forth five basic reasons why great civilizations wither and die:

The average age of the world's civilizations has been 200 years. Civilizations and empires tend to progress through this sequence, say historians:

World Government by Design
"As with so many of history's so-called trends, America's transformation into global policeman isn't accidental. Official admissions of this little-known truth aren't commonplace, but they do occur. Take journalist Michael Hirsh's stunning comments in a recent issue of Newsweek, for example. Buried more than four pages into an otherwise typical anti-isolationism screed entitled "Death of a Founding Myth," we find the following:

World Government Fanatics Are Destroying America

Before They Come For The Guns

TIMELINE TO GLOBAL GOVERNANCE

The Revealing Story of a Rancher and the National Debt

Traitor Bill Clinton's Mentor:

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one perhaps of the Right, and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.... [E]ither party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same policies". [1]
Professor Carroll Quigley
[1]Tragedy and Hope - The History of the World in Our Time - (New York : Macmillan, 1966) - pages 1247-1248.

Ann Coulter's "Slander"
"...the national news media maintain a rigid radio silence on Phyllis Schlafly, while endlessly celebrating mediocre feminist shrews. Her very name prompts derisive hoots from Hollywood starlets who couldn't approach Schlafly's IQ if they were having brains instead of silicone injected. To listen to the cool people, you could be forgiven for thinking Schlafly is one step above a cretin. In fact, Schlafly is one of the most accomplished and influential people in America.''

Coulter wants us to know that Schlafly's 1964 book, ''A Choice, Not an Echo,'' sold three million copies and helped hand the GOP presidential nomination to Barry Goldwater, thereby paving the way for the Reagan Revolution. She also was almost single-handedly responsible for stopping the speeding freight train known as the ERA dead in its tracks. A noted scholar, tireless campaigner and committed pro-life activist, she did it all while raising six children."

CARROLL QUIGLEY - A (Chilling) REVIEW - "Phyllis Schlafly in The Phyllis Schlafly Report wrote a commentary on Tragedy and Hope."

Laws To Make The Coming Dictator Comfortable In His New Position

More Laws

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
George W. Bush - Aired December 18, 2000 - Congressional Meeting - Source.

"America has a window of opportunity to extend and secure our present peace by promoting a distinctly American internationalism."
George W. Bush - Source

"My vison of a New World Order foresees a U.N. with a revitalized peacekeeping fuction. It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance."
George Herbert Walker Bush - On February 1, 1992 - Addressing the world leaders at the UN General Assembly.

"The war in Iraq is a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a New World Order can emerge."
George Herbert Walker Bush - Before Congress on September 11, 1990.

"This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of one world government. National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept."
Zbigniew Brzezinski - Nt'l. Security Advisor to Pres. Jimmy Carter.

"Nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority,"
Strobe Talbott - declared in the July 20, 1992 issue of TIME.

Hillary, Cronkite call for world government
"He goes even further to single out the "Christian Coalition and the rest of the religious right wing" as the culprits who have kept the world in a state of sovereign anarchy and prevented the emergence of a "civilized force of law" administered by the United Nations."

WALTER CRONKITE - Flack For Global Elite
"He told those assembled, including Hillary Rodham Clinton, that the first step toward achieving a one-world government -- his personal dream -- is to strengthen the United Nations.

In a more recent interview with the BBC, Cronkite was not quite so delicate in his plea for world government. There was no call for an American-style tri-partite system. What Cronkite described sounded more like a militaristic world dictatorship. The BBC's Tim Sebastian asked Cronkite if the United Nations had lived up to his earlier dreams for a "Parliament of Nations." Here's what he said in response:

Note that Cronkite advocates having "an executive" make international law. That's the way it works, I guess, in Cuba, Iraq, Libya and a few other totalitarian hellholes around the world. Is that what Cronkite has in mind? And this executive -- presumably unelected and unaccountable, except, perhaps, to a handful of Cronkite's elitist friends -- would be backed by a global military monopoly that would hunt down rebels even before they armed themselves or committed any "international crime." So now the "newsman" is advocating the creation of global thought police. Hmmmm.

But it gets worse.

Walter Cronkite Wants One World Government

"If we are to avoid a nuclear World War II, a system of world order - preferably a system of world government - is mandatory," Walter Cronkite - in his recent book A Reporter's Life Pg. 128.

"The proud nations someday will see the light and, for the common good and their own survival, yield up their precious sovereignty, just as America's thirteen colonies did two centuries ago. When we finally come to our senses and establish a world executive and parliament of nations, thanks to the Nuremberg precedent we will already have in place the fundamentals for the third branch of government, the judiciary."
Walter Cronkite - p. 128, A Reporter's Life, written by Walter Cronkite.

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenarios, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
Henry Kissinger - in an address to the Bilderberg organization meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates. From: Geoff Metcalf Significant Quote Series.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller - speaking at the June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden, Germany.

"There are severe limits to the good that the government can do for the economy, but there are almost no limits to the harm it can do."
Milton Friedman. Nobel laureate.

The American people voted Bill Clinton in office not once, but twice.

"When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers. I believe in killing people who try to hurt you."
BILL CLINTON - George Stephanopoulos book All Too Human.

"I’d like to kill all of these sons of bitches and just be done with it!"
BILL CLINTON - White House staff meeting during impeachment.

"Write down the name of that motherfuc*er. When I’m back in office, he’s a dead man."
BILL CLINTON - Arkansas second campaign for governor to a campaign aide.

"I can do any Godda*ned thing I want. I’m President of the United States. I take care of my friends and I fu*k with my enemies. That’s the way it is. Anybody who doesn’t like it can take a hike." BILL CLINTON - White House staff meeting regarding the IRS going after Kenneth Starr.
Source For Above Quotes

Shadow Government of The United States and the Decline of America

The Something Undermining Our Nation

The Oath To Adolf Hitler

Executive Order 13083 And Our Freedom - Both Parties Were Going To Finish You Off

Al Haig says jail Joseph Farah

Squeeze, Baby, Squeeze

"The American people are going to begin to realize they are going to have to yield some sovereignty to an international body to enforce world law, and I think that's going to come to other people as well, It's a fair distance to get there, but we are not ever going to get there unless we keep trying to push ourselves onto the road."
Walter Cronkite

"To keep global resource use within prudent limits while the poor raise their living standards, affluent societies need to consume less.

Population, consumption, technology, development, and the environment are linked in complex relationships that bear closely on human welfare in the global neighbourhood. Their effective and equitable management calls for a systemic, long-term, global approach guided by the principle of sustainable development, which has been the central lesson from the mounting ecological dangers of recent times. Its universal application is a priority among the tasks of global governance."
United Nations - Our Global Neighborhood - 1995

549 posted on 04/15/2003 12:54:40 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: PuNcH
An example of a banned assault weapon is; ?

550 posted on 04/15/2003 12:54:40 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: diamond6
I may not know a lot about guns, but I do know a lot more about the Constitution than you. Do you know that the 2nd amendment was originally based on a state-run militia? That would now fall to our National Guard.

Actually you don't ...

2nd Amendment : 1783 Constitution
Militia Act : 1793
National Guard : 1916

Shall not be infringed means just that. Well regulated in the 1700's meant well-functioning.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Another observation is that the militia component is in the subordinate clause of of this sentence.

551 posted on 04/15/2003 12:54:53 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Uncle Bill
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush - Aired December 18, 2000 - Congressional Meeting

Wow Bill, I think you are losing it. That comment was a joke and if you see the video, you would see that it was meant as a joke and people in the room took it as humor.

But you go ahead and believe your delusion that a President that has neutered the UN(kiboshing Kyoto, the international court, and making the UN look ridiculous with their Iraq appeasment) is it's biggest fan.

552 posted on 04/15/2003 1:03:58 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Go away liar.
553 posted on 04/15/2003 1:10:30 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Go away liar

LOL! You take a quote of humor out of context and I'm the liar.

554 posted on 04/15/2003 1:16:32 AM PDT by Dane
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To: MNLDS
...assault rifles didn't help the Iraqis much....

They didn't have anything worth fighting for.

555 posted on 04/15/2003 1:19:49 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Dane
Yeah, right. My dogs could understand the context of that thread. Go lie on some other thread. I don't have time for you or your Rumpelbotspin.
556 posted on 04/15/2003 1:22:12 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Fred Mertz
NAZI STRATEGY SUMMED UP IN 2 WORDS: "SPORTING PURPOSE"
"Gun control" is political strategy, not policy. President Clinton's administration proved it again on April 6 when he announced a broader ban on the importation of certain semi-automatic rifles because they did not meet the requirements for "sporting use." These rifles weren't for "sporting use," according to the administration, because they could be fitted with "large" magazines or clips.

This "sporting use" strategy was used before. The Nazi Weapons Law (18 March 1938) forbade importation of weapons under substantially the same test. Section 25(1) of that Law proclaimed: "It is forbidden to manufacture ... and to import: Firearms which fold-down, break-down, are collapsible, or are speedily dismantled -- beyond the common limits of hunting and sporting activities -- ..." Section 21 of the Nazi Law (and its enforcing regulations) employed the "sporting use" exception also where they permitted licensed persons to carry "firearms, designed for -- and usually used for -- the hunting of fair game."

557 posted on 04/15/2003 1:38:26 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Leatherneck_MT
There are a few people in Iraq that might think you don`t have a clue----no difference between the Rats and Republicans, please, read a newspaper
558 posted on 04/15/2003 2:00:28 AM PDT by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: Fred Mertz
Gun Owners to Dump Bush?

If Congress votes to re-authorize the 1994 Clinton/Feinstein federal so-called "Assault Weapons" ban, gives the bill to President Bush and he signs it into law, would you still vote for him in his bid for re-election to the Presidency in 2004?

Hell No, and I'll tell all of my friends to abandon him, too! 81.2% 771 votes
No. 12.9% 123 votes
Yes. 3.5% 33 votes
Yes, I would still vote for him, even after he proves that he's a traitor. 2.4% 23 votes
Total Votes: 950


Bush will back ongoing ban on assault weapons


Texas Joins Project Safe Neighborhoods - April 3, 2003

MORE INJUSTICE ON THE WAY - Bush GUN CONTROL
"Gene Healy, a Cato Institute scholar, recently provided a thorough exploration of the unintended consequences of one law, the new Bush-Ashcroft plan to federalize gun crimes, known as the Project Safe Neighborhoods program. The unintended consequences of this law are frightening."
NOTE: Same Article in Washington Times.

There Goes the Neighborhood: The Bush-Ashcroft Plan to "Help" Localities Fight Gun Crime, by Gene Healy

"W. Wimps Out on Guns"
The Bush package includes several pet causes of the gun-control lobby, including $75 million for gun locks; $15.3 million for 113 new federal attorneys to serve as full-time gun prosecutors; and $19.1 million to expand a program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms aimed at preventing youths from obtaining guns. Although Bush stressed that he simply wants to "enforce existing laws," the fine print of Project Safe echoes the gun-grabbing Left's call to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition clips."

Project Safe Neighborhoods, A Closer Look

559 posted on 04/15/2003 2:29:56 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: *bang_list
btth
560 posted on 04/15/2003 2:40:12 AM PDT by FSPress
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