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As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban
Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 04/14/2003 7:45:39 PM PDT by Uncle Bill

Edited on 04/17/2003 6:40:21 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

As I Predicted, George W. Bush
Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

TooGood Reports
By Chuck Baldwin
Chuck Baldwin Website
April 15, 2003

In this column dated December 17, 2002, I predicted that President G.W. Bush would support the so-called assault weapons ban first promoted by former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Diane Feinstein back in 1994. Interestingly enough, the gun ban became law on the strength of a tie-breaking vote by then Vice President Al Gore. The ban is scheduled to sunset next year, but Bush is joining Clinton and Gore in supporting an extension.

Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

This must come as quite a blow to people such as the leaders of the National Rifle Association who campaigned heavily for Bush touting him as a "pro-gun" candidate. Since his election, the NRA and others have repeatedly reaffirmed their support for Bush, because he is "pro-gun." Well, now the mask is off!

I have tried to warn my readers that Bush is not a true conservative. He is not pro-life; he is not pro-family; he is not pro-Constitution. And now we know he is not pro-gun.

Instead of reversing the miserable policies of Clinton/Gore, Bush is helping to harden the cement around those policies. The gun issue is no exception.

The so-called assault weapons ban was the benchmark piece of legislation reflecting the anti-gun policies of people such as Clinton, Gore, Feinstein, and New York Senator Charles Schumer. It was also the number one target of the NRA. In fact, the NRA all but promised their supporters that a Bush presidency would help reverse this Draconian gun ban. Instead, Bush is pushing Congress to extend the ban.

A bill to reauthorize the gun ban will be introduced by Senator Feinstein in the coming weeks. It must pass both chambers of Congress to reach the President's desk. The best chance of stopping it will be in the House of Representatives. However, in order to defeat this bill, it must resist the power and influence of the White House. This will be no small task.

Not only is Bush betraying the pro-gun voters who helped elect him, he is breathing new life into a nearly dead anti-gun movement. Most political analysts credit Bush's pro-gun image as the chief reason he defeated Al Gore in the 2000 election. They also credit the pro-gun image of the Republican Party for helping them to achieve impressive wins in the 2002 congressional elections.

Now, Bush is giving new credibility to anti-gun zealots such as Schumer and Feinstein and is helping to reinvigorate the anti-gun momentum that had all but been put on ice.

However, the real question will be, "Will pro-gun conservatives continue to support Bush?" Bush is every bit the "Teflon President" that Clinton was. Conservatives seem willing to overlook anything he does, no matter how liberal or unconstitutional it may be. Will they overlook this, also?

If you truly believe in the Second Amendment and are willing to do something about it, I suggest you go to the Gun Owners of America website. They have a quick link set up which allows people an opportunity to conveniently send email to the White House about this issue. Go to the gun ban "alert" button. From there you can voice your disapproval with the President's decision to betray his constituents by supporting this new round of gun control.

Once again, the ball of freedom and constitutional government is in the court of the American people. Will they keep the ball and do something with it, or will they hand it off to the neo-conservatives at the White House? We'll see.


PLEASE Don't Sit out 2004, EVEN IF Bush signs the AW ban extention

Bush Supports New Extension Of Assault-Weapons Ban

Bush Backs Renewing Assault Weapons Ban



"That’s why I’m for instant background checks at gun shows. I’m for trigger locks."
George W. Bush - Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17,2000.

MORE INJUSTICE ON THE WAY - Bush GUN CONTROL
"Gene Healy, a Cato Institute scholar, recently provided a thorough exploration of the unintended consequences of one law, the new Bush-Ashcroft plan to federalize gun crimes, known as the Project Safe Neighborhoods program. The unintended consequences of this law are frightening."
NOTE: Same Article in Washington Times.

There Goes the Neighborhood: The Bush-Ashcroft Plan to "Help" Localities Fight Gun Crime, by Gene Healy

"W. Wimps Out on Guns"
The Bush package includes several pet causes of the gun-control lobby, including $75 million for gun locks; $15.3 million for 113 new federal attorneys to serve as full-time gun prosecutors; and $19.1 million to expand a program by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms aimed at preventing youths from obtaining guns. Although Bush stressed that he simply wants to "enforce existing laws," the fine print of Project Safe echoes the gun-grabbing Left's call to ban the importation of high-capacity ammunition clips."

Project Safe Neighborhoods, A Closer Look

LAURA BUSH:
"During her San Diego speech, for instance, she said nothing about the school shooting that occurred 20 miles away in El Cajon the day before, although in a television interview she condemned it, adding that she thinks more gun control laws are needed.

"I think that's very important," she said when asked by CNN whether stronger gun laws are needed."
Source.

EMERSON & THE SECOND AMENDMENT

A Gutless Supreme Court Decision - Gun Control

Republican Leadership Help Push Gun Control

Bush's Assault On Second Amendment

NEA Resource Text Guide In Regards To The Extreme Right - Where Do Your Kids Go To School?
"The radical right says it is pro-life but it bitterly opposes gun control legislation"

or

A Problem With Guns?


Thanks for that Patriot Act George


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; bang; banglist; bush; guns; secondamendment
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To: montag813
"I cannot and will not participate in such a blind self-destruction."

Your stance is in fact participating in such self destruction, you are just doing it a bit slower than if you got the socialists elected.

I can set fire to the forest, and get all of the trees at once, or I can cut them down one at a time. Eventually the result is the same...no trees. For the longest time I felt just as you do, in that I would do anything to keep the socialist out of office. The epiphany for me was to look back one day and see that both parties were giving me exactly the same thing. The socialists were open with their contempt for the Constitution and my civil rights, and the Republicans just lied about it and eventually did the same thing anyway.

What you and others of your persuasion seem to deny is the end game to all of this. Let's not be decieved here. The end game, under the current direction this country is headed in, is armed revolution. That places all of us at risk of life and limb, and puts this country on the abyss of oblivion. Sooner or later, this govt is going to take that last, fatal step, and before they realize what happened, a lot of people are going to die and their political affiliation won't matter one whit.

Look back at the last 50 or so years of the socialist progress towards implementing the entire communist manifesto. The Republicans, willing or not have aided and abetted that process because they have allowed their principles to be compromised. This doesn't make them evil, it makes them human. That said, the result is the same - the juggernaut of tyranny marches forward.

The argument here is: Where do we draw the line? Do we try to stop this now, when the win or loss can be dealt with peaceably, or do we draw the line at our individual front door when the govt goons kick it in? Some of us, have had enough now. Your tolerance just seems to be higher, but that won't last.

Try to take a longer term view, and keep the fact in mind that the govt is like rust, it never sleeps. I believe that there will be an exponential increase in the growth and intrusion of govt at all levels. It was recently reported that this country has gotten to the point where over 50% of the taxpaying citizens, work for some form of federal, state, or local govt. Do you think that might be the critical mass that finally makes it impossible for the rest of us to stop the growth and intrusion of govt? I certainly do.

If you are any kind of a student of history, you know I'm right. The time to make a stand on your principles is right now, before you look back and think..."If only...".

1,401 posted on 04/18/2003 1:00:13 PM PDT by wcbtinman (Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. (Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked.))
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To: TLBSHOW
LOL .. good try .. you know exactly what I mean

But hey, I'll give you an B- for trying
1,402 posted on 04/18/2003 1:42:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: wcbtinman
Well, I must tell you.. I'm crushed!! </sarcasm

I don't think I'll sleep tonight having heard this from one of the "self proclaimed" intelligentsia. </sarcasm

Thankfully, there are brighter people than YOU or I, running this country. <fact
1,403 posted on 04/18/2003 1:49:01 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: wcbtinman
"It is going to be very difficult to prove a negative, ie that a law which doesn't exist, doesn't exist."

FINALLY... an answer to the question: "Where have all the rocket scientist gone?"

:o)

Whew!!! Gettin deep in here! No offense friend,.. but have you been smokin that thar whacky tobaccy??

1,404 posted on 04/18/2003 1:51:13 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: wcbtinman
"I'll bet your picture is right next to the word 'sheep' in Webster's."

To think.. just last night you said you loved me.

See ya later :o)

1,405 posted on 04/18/2003 1:55:47 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: Mo1
thanks! :>)
1,406 posted on 04/18/2003 2:07:58 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
"As a previous poster pointed out, it is legal to own a tank with live rounds if you want to jump through the hoops"



I don't think that is true. Can you point me to anything factual regarding it. Thanks
1,394 -vets-


There is a thread on FR about collecting tanks, if you can find it. -- It is totally 'legal', and may even be un-regulated in Calif. [after all they are nothing but armored bulldozers] -- Functional cartridge loaded cannons are taxed as per various fed/state 'regulations' as destructive devices. Muzzle loaders are un-regulated.

Less than five miles away, in Portola Vally CA, one of the largest private ordinance collections in the world exists in a neighborhood of multi-million dollar estates.
-- Mr. Wurlitzer [is it?] even owns a mobile Scud system, that got quite a lot of press when he imported it a few years ago.

Try a google search.
1,407 posted on 04/18/2003 3:51:36 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.Q)
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To: tpaine
-- Mr. Wurlitzer [is it?] even owns a mobile Scud system, that got quite a lot of press when he imported it a few years ago.

Would that be a working scud system? ..

I try a google search and haven't found anything as of yet

1,408 posted on 04/18/2003 4:43:09 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: tpaine
Hey.. Thanks a lot for all the information. I honestly appreicated it.

Perhaps it isn't illegal.. but I can think of a ton of people I know, who I'd sure prefer never had one. :o)

Have a happy Easter tpaine. All disagreements aside.. I hold no personal grudges against anyone. I only "debate".

While we disagree on a lot of things.. I totally respect your right to have your own opinion. Ain't America GRAND?

:o)

Seriously.. have a great Easter!!

FRegards, from both of us!
1,409 posted on 04/18/2003 4:57:02 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: Mo1
( I can sure think of a few Americans who I'd like to send a tank into their yard.. LOL) Lets see.. Susan Sarandon and her boyfriend/husband? Baghdad Babs.. Martin Sheen,

HEY!!! This tank stuff is sounding better all the time!!

:o)

If I don't get to say it before Sunday.. Have a great Easter!!

FRegards, Vets
1,410 posted on 04/18/2003 4:59:04 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife ("CNN - WE report WHEN WE decide.")
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To: Mo1; Uncle Bill; Fred Mertz; nopardons
how about a A for research?


Texas Gov. George W. Bush would, if elected president:

Support the current ban on assault weapons.

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm
1,411 posted on 04/18/2003 5:33:26 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
"There will NEVER be a President we agree with 100 percent on all things. Thats just humanly impossible, especially in light of the fact that NONE Of us are alike/identitcal either physically or mentally."

The answer is simple. Either a candidate is for the Constitution and will uphold it or not. Rewarding the ones that won't is not helping. Giving them a pass because they sometimes do is ludicrous. They take an oath to defend the Constitution from enemies, both foreign and domestic - if they betray it, then all bets should be off.
1,412 posted on 04/18/2003 5:46:06 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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To: TLBSHOW
If the NRA could pick a candidate, it would undoubtedly be George W. Bush. He has been a strong ally of the organization in Texas.
1,413 posted on 04/18/2003 6:15:20 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Let's assume that you have been elected President .. you really believe that you would be able to pass and sign into law all the things you want?
1,414 posted on 04/18/2003 6:18:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Hmmmm .. since you put it that way, I will have to rethink matters .. LOL
1,415 posted on 04/18/2003 6:19:44 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Mo1
Last thought for now (IF) it is a big deal now why wasn't it then?

and from more research.......

"I personally believe that a law-abiding citizen should have the Right to Keep and Bear Arms with minimal interference from local, state, or federal government."
--Senator Bill Frist

http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?title=NRA%20Institute%20for%20Legislative%20Action&url=http://www.nraila.org
1,416 posted on 04/18/2003 6:35:36 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: Mo1; All; Neil E. Wright
I am really surprised. NO ONE has yet answered the question about where is your line in the sand.... Unless you have none, I can't think it's such a DIFFICULT question to answer... Could it be that there is NOTHING a politician with your brand name on him could do that would cause you to at the very least RETHINK your support of him and let him know this? Are you willing to let YOUR guys get away with ANYTHING just as long as he has the big (R) brand on him? If so, WHY? Why would you be willing to let big (R) do the exact things you were up in arms about big (D) doing? What's the difference here? PLEASE enlighten me. We used to refer to those who we felt were mindless RAT drones as SHEEPLE because there was NOTHING that a RAT could do that would cost him their votes. NOW I see the same behavior in very many of the people here. I am stunned, shocked and amazed. I had really thought FReepers could be counted on to THINK for themselves... yet no one seems to have an uncrossable line. ANYTHING, one came out and told me, that an (R) does is better than the same thing a (D) does... WHY??? When neither party wants to stand up and speak out FOR the Constitution, when NO ONE will say, OK, then this far and NO MORE, on my life and on my honor, then what's left for our nation? One poster called what the Founders thought sufficient cause for WAR to be picayune and meaningless... Perhaps so, as compared with what we have allowed FedGov to get away with... but WHEN DO WE CRY "HOLD, ENOUGH"??????? Does ANYONE have the stones to answer that for me?
1,417 posted on 04/18/2003 7:31:57 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
MORONIC !
1,418 posted on 04/18/2003 7:53:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dcwusmc
Could it be that there is NOTHING a politician with your brand name on him could do that would cause you to at the very least RETHINK your support of him and let him know this? Are you willing to let YOUR guys get away with ANYTHING just as long as he has the big (R) brand on him?

Oh BACK OFF and get real

If the (R) was all I looked at .. then why didn't I vote for John McCain, Orin Hatch, Alan Keys, oh oh and then there was Pat Buchanan who use to be an (R) .. but that was before he realized he couldn't get any votes or matching funds

You act like Bush is banning ALL GUNS .. he is not .. he also hasn't even renewed this semi-auto weapons law you are accusing him of doing

And no matter how much you jump up and down and stump your feet .. Bush is no where near like the Dims.

The Dims will take away ALL OF YOUR GUNS AND YOU KNOW IT

As as much as you may wish for another revolutionary war .. it ain't gonna happen

1,419 posted on 04/18/2003 9:06:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: TLBSHOW
Sen. Frist: Our criminal laws and policies should focus on deterring crime through prevention and through swift and certain punishment. That is what I mean by "common sense" laws. Some Members of Congress sincerely believe that passing more gun control legislation will reduce crime. I disagree with them.
1,420 posted on 04/18/2003 9:15:13 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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