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Dismissing all abusive priests is ineffective strategy, Vatican told
Catholic News Service ^ | Apr-7-2003 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 04/14/2003 12:04:43 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- While pleased that the Catholic Church is taking the problem of pedophilia seriously, an international panel of experts told Vatican officials that dismissing every priest guilty of sexually abusing a minor is not the way to handle the problem.

Eight internationally recognized psychiatric and medical experts were invited to lead an April 2-5 symposium at the Vatican.

The Pontifical Academy for Life, which often sponsors scientific conferences on medical and ethical topics, organized the meeting. It was attended by officials from the Vatican Secretariat of State and the congregations for doctrine, clergy, Catholic education, religious and bishops. Several priests and nuns directly involved in treating offenders also were invited; they included Father Stephen Rossetti, president of St. Luke Institute in Silver Spring, Md., and Franciscan Father Canice Connors, president of the U.S. Conference of Major Superiors of Men and former president of St. Luke's.

The eight experts, none of whom are Catholic, came from Germany, the United States and Canada. Several of them had presented papers at the 2002 international conference of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers, which was attended by a psychiatrist who is a member of the Pontifical Council for the Laity.

According to participants at the Vatican meeting, the experts criticized "zero tolerance" policies for all priests who had ever sexually abused a minor. Such policies, they said, ignore the difficulty of determining the future risk posed by the offender and may actually increase the risk.

The experts said that "by letting them go, you may be unleashing them on the general public" without the supervision and support systems that may have helped them control their negative behavior, said a Vatican participant who did not want to be named. Dismissal also may increase stress, which is another risk factor.

The participant said the experts told Vatican officials that banning homosexuals from the priesthood would not solve the problem because although homosexuality is one of many "risk factors" it is not the cause of pedophilia.

He said he hoped the experts' remarks would quash a proposal being studied by the Congregation for Catholic Education to discourage the admittance of homosexual men into seminaries; the congregation is responsible for seminaries as well as Catholic schools.

Dr. Martin P. Kafka, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and president of the Massachusetts chapter of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers, was the only U.S. expert invited.

Kafka, who gave presentations on the sexual molestation of adolescents and on the possibility of treating sexual offenders with pharmaceuticals, said he believes the U.S. bishops' policy of dismissing every offender from the priesthood "is a real mistake."

"It is only in the United States that that policy has been taken," he said, while in Europe and Canada provisions have been made to allow some offenders to continue in the priesthood while excluding all contact with minors.

"Many of these men are not your typical sex offenders," he said; they have only one or two victims, their crime involved "above clothing molestation" and the incidents occurred 15 to 30 years ago.

"With treatment and supervision, you can help those perpetrators," he told Catholic News Service.

"You cannot cover up the problem, and changes must be made" in the way the church handles the cases, "but each case must be dealt with individually and you must see who is motivated for treatment."

Kafka said the key issue in Catholic seminaries is whether or not students have a mature understanding of their own sexuality.

"Data suggests that the overwhelming majority of adult men who molest children -- boys or girls -- are heterosexual," he said. "With the molestation of adolescent boys, the incidence of adult male homosexuality is higher, but it is not one to one."

Homosexuality is just one of many risk factors, he said, and the fact that "most adult male homosexuals do not molest children or adolescents" means homosexuals should not be banned from the priesthood out of fear they may molest someone.

Another Vatican participant said a key point made by the experts confirmed the general stance taken by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which is that instances of clerical sexual abuse must be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

"There are cases which demand the dismissal from the clerical state because he is using his office to abuse," the participant said.

When a priest is dismissed, however, the church should ensure that other means exist for keeping the priest under observation, he said. Such means include state-mandated registries of sex offenders.

Dr. Jorg M. Fegert, medical director of the pediatric psychiatric clinic at the University of Ulm, Germany, said he was the only expert invited to discuss the impact of sexual abuse on children.

"I made a plea for a careful discussion of the responsibility toward the victims," he told CNS. "It is important not just to look at what to do with priests, but to ensure the children get help."

Fegert, who has worked with child victims of sexual abuse for the past 10 years, told Vatican officials that in cases where the abuse is reported "the children undergo an average of five to seven interrogations and interviews by police and psychologists, which can traumatize them even more."

"We must develop procedures to protect children while trying to get the truth," he said.

Fegert said that although he is not a Catholic, in the wake of the U.S. sex abuse scandal, he had written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, head of the doctrinal congregation, telling him, "It is important not only to have policies for priests, but to learn from the scientific studies and to care for the children."

"There will be a number of priests who were abused as children," he said. "If you offer help to the child victims, maybe you can prevent some abuse in the future."


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To: WaveThatFlag
If you don't fire child rapist, you have really low standards, or, maybe none at all.

infallibility? yeah, like miss cleo is infallible.

21 posted on 04/14/2003 12:59:25 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: KeyWest
nothing more than an attempt by the child molesting wing of the church

There is no "child molesting wing" of the church. Any incidence of pedophilia is unacceptable. But the rate among priests is lower than the population in general (very small).

22 posted on 04/14/2003 1:01:43 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
As a Christian and aCatholic I am outraged by this behavior and I am protesting by cutting them off financially. NOBUCKS Until NOTOLERANCE
23 posted on 04/14/2003 1:01:45 PM PDT by DarthVader
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To: mabelkitty
I'm not Catholic, so I will keep my comments to myself.

I am not Iraqi, so I will ignore the behavour of Saddam.

If the church wants to prevent further abuse by keeping molesters on the payroll and off the streets, that's a noble cause, but they should be identifed to the parents and to the law, and should never be left unsupervised with children.

24 posted on 04/14/2003 1:03:05 PM PDT by js1138
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To: halliburton
Give me some examples. In context.

The Pope is not a politician. He seeks peaceful solutions to hostilities. You are mistaking that policy for anti-Americanism. While I admire your patriotism, you are not very clear on what the Pope's job is.
25 posted on 04/14/2003 1:04:40 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag
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To: Poohbah
I only ask because though a serious breach of his vows, it's much more understandable as a human weakness. How anyone can contemplate forgiving a pedophile is beyond me. The Church needs to wake up and start making some serious changes or they'll keeping losing Catholics like myself.
26 posted on 04/14/2003 1:06:36 PM PDT by strider44
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To: js1138
Wrong.

As a Christian, my attacking another's faith will only make them more defensive and turn their anger toward me and away from the source.

I would rather they use the word of God to reach a heartfelt decision on their worship rather than my e-opinion.
27 posted on 04/14/2003 1:07:28 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Roughneck
This finding was not endorsed or even commented on by the Pope, buddy boy. It was from an independent panel of psychologists. But why should the facts get in the way of your childish attacks on the Pope, right?
28 posted on 04/14/2003 1:07:39 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
1 Corinthians 5 Expel the Immoral Brother! 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife.

2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this?

3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present,

5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature[1] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough?

7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people--

10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.

11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Any Questions?

29 posted on 04/14/2003 1:07:55 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Being forgiven and continuing to operate as Christ's rperesentative on Earth are poles apart. I'm reminded of Paul's admonition to the Church regarding the leadership.
30 posted on 04/14/2003 1:08:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Motherbear
This is Unbelievable!

Talk about the road to hell.
31 posted on 04/14/2003 1:08:41 PM PDT by meema
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To: strider44
I only ask because though a serious breach of his vows, it's much more understandable as a human weakness.

True...but a priest isn't forced at gunpoint to remain a priest. If he can't measure up, he needs to leave.

Some bishops expect a tight ship, period. They are few and far between.

Others will drop the hammer when the priest gets named in a paternity suit.

They're not so much interested in maintaining a clean priesthood so much as they are interested in avoiding embarrassment.

How anyone can contemplate forgiving a pedophile is beyond me.

Agreed.

The Church needs to wake up and start making some serious changes or they'll keeping losing Catholics like myself.

Agreed again.

As a devout Catholic...of late, the hierarchy has been making it kind of hard to STAY devout.

32 posted on 04/14/2003 1:13:20 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: js1138
In that case, might I direct your attention to this country's foster-care system, where child abuse and pedophilia are indeed a major problem. Your energies would be much better spent there, as this problem is not getting nearly the attention that the church is, even though a much higher number of children are victimized there.
33 posted on 04/14/2003 1:13:38 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag
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To: Poohbah
I agree they should leave if they can't handle their vows. But I believe a "one-time" screw up could be forgiven, one that didn't involve a child as a result of the indescretion. What's your position on allowing priests to marry?
35 posted on 04/14/2003 1:23:58 PM PDT by strider44
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To: WaveThatFlag
I spent half a dozen years working in children's protective services -- most of it trying to keep kids out of foster care. This has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of how to deal with known pedophiles. No organization should allow known child molesters to work with or supervise children, or have any position of authority over children, or have unsupervised contact with children. I'm quite willing to forgive sinners, but not to allow them the opportunity to repeat their crimes.
36 posted on 04/14/2003 1:25:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: strider44
I rather like the Orthodox Church's policy: Married men may be ordained, but ordained men may not marry.
37 posted on 04/14/2003 1:26:21 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Re #11:

The bible does not say a person should not PAY THE PRICE for sin, even if Christ has forgiven the sin.

David and Bathsheba: David makes sure bathsheba's husband gets killed so that david can have her to himself. They have a kid together. Now, God does not let that child live, and God tells david that because of his sin with bathsheba, that there will always be discord in davids family..In other words, the sin is forgiven but a PRICE is still paid by the sinner.

But, King David is forgiven, and batsheba goes on to have their second child -Solomon. . .

38 posted on 04/14/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Listening to the "experts" was what got us here in teh first place. I don't deny that the Church was more than happy to have these problems swept under the rug. The Church, however, followed the advice of psychiatrists in first not removing the offending priests permanently and second not doing anything to help the victims. The shrinks at that time thought it was best for the victims to just put it behind them.

The Church must follow zero tolerance because it is the only way to restore trust between the laity and the clergy.

39 posted on 04/14/2003 1:27:41 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Freedom: America's finest export.)
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To: js1138
All I'm saying is if pedophilia is such a major concern of yours, why aren't you spending your energy attacking the area where it is the biggest problem?
40 posted on 04/14/2003 1:28:01 PM PDT by WaveThatFlag
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