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To: rolling_stone
This isn't rocket science.

20, 30, 40 percent of any product is NOT taxable income. If it was that would mean they are making HUGE 100+% profits...If you know of any companies working at that profitability let me know.

If you can accurately predict what the competitive market will do, you are a super rich man...or should be.

Pricing is a struggle not for lower prices but for the highest prices(profit) possible. If it wasn't they would never go up...

There are more ways than you and I could discuss here to make that happen...price only appears to be the simplest way.

In theory, if you had $100,000 in gross sales including 10% profit, you would have $9091 taxable profit. Assuming a 38% tax rate, your tax bill would be $3455.00 leaving a net profit of $5636.00...Assuming you'd want to maintain the same after tax profit once your income tax burden is removed, the best you could lower your price would be about 4%...not 20%...do the math, and while you're at it don't forget to factor in the new sales tax would raise the price 30%.

As to "compliance costs" accounting will always be done and wages along with self-employment income is still required to be reported to the government.

BTW, Jorgenson, the one (and only) economist you nst folks like to trot out as your expert is a WTO, Kyoto accord, BTU/carbon tax socialist.

100 posted on 04/14/2003 1:05:49 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
This isn't rocket science.

No it isn't but the current IRS codes and regulation are pretty close.

20, 30, 40 percent of any product is NOT taxable income. If it was that would mean they are making HUGE 100+% profits...If you know of any companies working at that profitability let me know.

Never said it was.

If you can accurately predict what the competitive market will do, you are a super rich man...or should be.

Simple economics& history reasonably predicts what the competitive market will do.

Pricing is a struggle not for lower prices but for the highest prices(profit) possible. If it wasn't they would never go up...

Wrong. Pricing is a struggle for profitability or survival at its lowest level. This includes volume and costs in the equation. Prices reach a point of equilibrium based on supply, demand, and competition. One changes and so does the other like Ohm's law. Higher prices does not necessarily mean higher overall profit, volume of sales must be taken into account as well as cost per unit. Selling 1,000 hours of service at $100 per hour with a cost of $50 per hour means a profit of $50,000. Selling 10,000 hours of service at $80 per hour with a cost of $40 per hour means a profit of $400,000. The lower price makes a significantly higher profit than the higher price in that instance. Increase your volume and usually cost per unit goes down. Fixed costs are divided by a larger number of sales. There is a point of diminishing returns when you raise or lower prices, which causes the market to reach an equilibrium. Demand is elastic based on price, more elastic for some products or services than others. Price of whisky too high people drink more beer less whisky. Cars priced too high people buy motorcycles or ride the bus. More competition lower prices, less competition higher prices, causing more competition to enter the marked until an equilibrium is reached. Raise your price too much, more competition and less sales for you. Lower your price too much and less profit per sale.

There are more ways than you and I could discuss here to make that happen...price only appears to be the simplest way.

Make what happen?

In theory, if you had $100,000 in gross sales including 10% profit, you would have $9091 taxable profit. Assuming a 38% tax rate, your tax bill would be $3455.00 leaving a net profit of $5636.00...Assuming you'd want to maintain the same after tax profit once your income tax burden is removed, the best you could lower your price would be about 4%...not 20%...do the math, and while you're at it don't forget to factor in the new sales tax would raise the price 30%.

You left out the reducion in costs that I pointed out, no payroll taxes-3 to 9%, less compliance costs, no capital gains taxes, plus the added ability to pass a business to heirs without gift or estate tax. If you were selling a product made of materials instead of a service, your costs could be much less because the materials you use to make the product would cost less to buy....Lower costs of the materials used to produce the end product ( 4% less taxes 3-9 %less (material) payroll taxes, =7 to 13% less cost of materials),end result 7-13 lower cost of materials, 4% less taxes, 3 to 9% less (production) payroll=14 to 26% less expenses. Dominoes goes both ways....

Where do you get 30% new tax from?

As to "compliance costs" accounting will always be done and wages along with self-employment income is still required to be reported to the government.

There is a difference in cost between accounting and tax costs, which are much greater. Multiple depreciation schedules, tax shelters, pension, deferred compensation rules, etc.

BTW, Jorgenson, the one (and only) economist you nst folks like to trot out as your expert is a WTO, Kyoto accord, BTU/carbon tax socialist.

Please feel free to trot out our own economist, I would love to hear what they have to say.

Oh yes you didn't answer my two previous questions, are you happy with the present system and are you in the legal or accounting tax field?

See the following link for more info on the tax reform

http://www.fairtax.org/pdfs/taxreform.pdf

And how it woul affect different people and entities:

http://www.fairtax.org/research.asp?pageid=21

101 posted on 04/14/2003 3:26:27 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: lewislynn
"Pricing is a struggle not for lower prices but for the highest prices(profit) possible. If it wasn't they would never go up..."

I hate to tell you, LL, but maximizing prices and maximizing profits are NOT the same thing. I don't have time to go into it here, but I suggest that you pull out any freshman economics textbook and look for the explanation of elasticity of demand.
154 posted on 04/18/2003 5:03:52 PM PDT by PhilWill
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