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To: Orion78
Shouldn't Putin's background (X-KGB) and company make you, and other Russians like you who believe in capitalism and democracy, suspicious?++++

Honestly not. Because we all from Soviet union.
Putin was student of Saint Petersburg university, the law school. After graduation they hired him to intellegence survice of KGB.
In my university the recruters of KGB went too. So as MVD (the ministry of internal affairs). They hunted for law faculty students. I knew few who was recruted.
So for me it is nothing unusual.
KGB didn't take volontiers. They choosed someone then made the proposition.
I red CIA of USA did same things in american universities.

It was life. We lived in USSR then we had to do along with it. I was student of physics so they wasn't interested in me. And I had the problems with political office too. Long tongue you know.
If I would be student of law school they would kick me out.
But they allowed to physicists some free way.
We joked that all the soviet physicist was anti-sovetchiks. It is almost true accually.

So Putin just did what young man could do in his situation. If he turns down KGB recruter then he maybe didn't find another job. All jobs in USSR was state you remember.

But he still russian guy. So it mean that he is nationalist and love Russia. His life abroad teached him many things about West. Thank to KGB intellegence. So now he wants to invent and copy them to Russia.
It is fine for me.

Ask yourself, do you trust nuclear weapons and missiles with ranges of 5500km in the hands of the Iranians? What about the Syrians? +++

Yes it is worry me. I don't want that in thier hands.

I want to explain you situation as I see it.

You know when Russia became independent, she inherit some things from USSR. I mean some connections with some countries.

Whole idea of Russia independence as I learn in 80th (it began lot before 1991!) was about to cut off the long list of Soviet allies and clients which Russia as the core of USSR had to feed and cater (with oil for example).
But in same time Russia didn't want just to abandon all of them.
The idea was just to trade with those countries with same merchandases but for hard currencies.
If everything go smoothly Russia haves the same markets for her goods as USSR had. But no obligations of USSR!
It is win-win situation for Russia.

That is why Russia continues to support the relations with those countries. Some of them are debtors of Russia.
Russia want to get those debts.
Aside of that be sure Russia don't like them more then US likes them. But business is business.

If Russia can find another markets for her goods she will switch at once.

It is just brief explanation.
What to do now? I don't know.
As US goes cleaning south of russian border. It benefits Russia in matter of security but in same time it hurts Russia finantially.
There has to be solution. But it is not up to me and you probably too.
137 posted on 04/15/2003 9:20:23 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

And as I said Saddam is bad person. But there are worser then him. So I don't exactly understand why you after him first."

138 posted on 04/22/2003 6:00:52 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: RusIvan
"So Putin just did what young man could do in his situation. If he turns down KGB recruter then he maybe didn't find another job. All jobs in USSR was state you remember."

"But he still russian guy. So it mean that he is nationalist and love Russia. His life abroad teached him many things about West. Thank to KGB intellegence. So now he wants to invent and copy them to Russia. It is fine for me."


From Putin's Autobiography:

... Even before I graduated from school, I wanted to work in intelligence. It was a dream of mine, although it seemed about as likely as a flight to Mars. And sure, my ambitions sometimes changed. I also wanted to be a sailor. And at one point I really wanted to be a pilot.

The Academy of Civil Aviation is in Leningrad and I was hell-bent on getting in. I read the literature and even subscribed to an aviation journal. But then books and spy movies like The Sword and the Shield took hold of my imagination. What amazed me most of all was how one man’s effort could achive what whole armies could not. One spy could decide the fate of thousands of people. At least that’s the way I understood it.

The Academy of Civil Aviation quickly lost its thrill. I had made my choice. I wanted to be a spy.

My parents didn’t understand this right away. My coach had gone to see them and told them that as an athlete, I could get into an institute practically without passing exams. So they tried to talk me into going to an institute. My coach took their side. He couldn’t understand why I was resisting. “You have a 100 percent chance of getting in to the very Academy of Civil Aviation,” he said. “And if you don’t get into university, then you’ll go to the army.”

It was a difficult situation. My father was a very powerful man. But I dug my heels in, and said I had made up my mind.

Then another coach of mine from the Trud Club, Leonid Ionovich, came to visit. He was a clever guy. “Well,” he said to me. “Where are you going?” Of course he already knew. He was just acting sly. I said, “To university.” “OK, that’s great,” he said. “But what faculty?” “The law school,” I answered. Then he roared: “What? To catch people? What are you doing? You’ll be a cop. Do you understand?” I was insulted. “I’m not going to be a cop!” I yelled back.

For a year, they put pressure on me every day. That only increased my desire to go to law school. But why law school? Let me explain.

In order to find out how to become a spy, somewhere back at the beginning of 9th grade I had gone to the office of the KGB Directorate. A guy came out and listened to me. “I want to get a job with you,” I said. “That’s terrific, but there are several issues,” he said. “First, we don’t take people who come to us on their own initiative. Second, you can come to us only after the army or after some civilian university.”

I was intrigued. “What kind of university?” I asked. “Any!” he said. He probably just wanted to get rid of me. “But what kind do you prefer?” I asked. “Law school.” And that was that. From that moment on, I began to prepare for the law faculty of Leningrad University. And nobody could stop me ...


139 posted on 05/28/2003 11:10:29 PM PDT by Orion78
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