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Looters Ransack Baghdad's Antiquities Museum
Reuters ^ | April 12, 2003 | Hassan Hafidh

Posted on 04/12/2003 7:05:07 AM PDT by kalt

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Looters have sacked Baghdad's antiquities museum, plundering treasures dating back thousands of years to the dawn of civilization in Mesopotamia, museum staff said on Saturday.

They blamed U.S. troops for not protecting the treasures.

Surveying the littered glass wreckage of display cases and pottery shards at the Iraqi National Museum on Saturday, deputy director Nabhal Amin wept and told Reuters: "They have looted or destroyed 170,000 items of antiquity dating back thousands of years...They were worth billions of dollars."

She blamed U.S. troops, who have controlled Baghdad since the collapse of President Saddam Hussein's rule on Wednesday, for failing to heed appeals from museum staff to protect it from looters who moved in to the building on Friday.

"The Americans were supposed to protect the museum. If they had just one tank and two soldiers nothing like this would have happened," she said. "I hold the American troops responsible for what happened to this museum."

The looters broke into rooms that were built like bank vaults with huge steel doors. The museum grounds were full of smashed doors, windows and littered with office paperwork and books.

"We know people are hungry but what are they going to do with these antiquities," said Muhsen Kadhim, a museum guard for the last 30 years but who said he was overwhelmed by the number of looters.

"As soon as I saw the American troops near the museum, I asked them to protect it but the second day looters came and robbed or destroyed all the antiquities," he said.

ARMED GUARDS

Amin told four of the museum guards to carry guns and protect what remained.

Some of the museum's artifacts had been moved into storage to avoid a repeat of damage to other antiquities during the 1991 Gulf War.

It houses items from ancient Babylon and Nineveh, Sumerian statues, Assyrian reliefs and 5,000-year-old tablets bearing some of the earliest known writing. There are also gold and silver helmets and cups from the Ur cemetery.

The museum was only opened to the public six months ago after shutting down at the beginning of the 1991 Gulf War. It survived air strikes on Baghdad in 1991 and again was almost unscathed by attacks on the capital by U.S.-led forces.

Iraq, a cradle of civilization long before the empires of Egypt, Greece or Rome, was home to dynasties that created agriculture and writing and built the cities of Nineveh, Nimrud and Babylon -- site of Nebuchadnezzar's Hanging Gardens.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiquities; fallofbaghdad; iraq; iraqifreedom; looters; looting; museum
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To: terilyn
"It is false to choose a human life over a piece of stone? "

Yes I most certainly do expect of certain people that they risk life and limb to protect property. Some of those people are called fireman. You don't say to a fireman, "Ah let my house burn down to the ground, I would hate to see you get hurt. Nobody says at a fireman's funeral, "What a waste of life, all for nothing but a burning building and a pet cat." I expect the police man to go in and catch a burgler in my house or to catch somebody who stole my car but only because he is trained and willing to do it. It is his job. I don't expect my next door neighbor to do it. Common sense please.

221 posted on 04/12/2003 11:03:38 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: Theresa
*Sigh* You are trying to equate a domestic criminal issue with a war zone. Impossible to do.

A war has been and is still being fought with minimal collateral damage and as many mosques, hospitals, schools, and other public places being spared if at all possible. At the same time we have been trying to clear mines so we could get humanitarian aid into the people.

We are now transitioning into civil infrastructure and keeping the peace. First things first.
222 posted on 04/12/2003 11:04:21 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Theresa
Yes soldiers should and do risk their lives to save property

Soldiers perform their missions and our soldiers in Iraq have done so under extremely dangerous conditions. Some are now deployed to guard hospitals and that is so much more important than guarding the museums. I read on Yahoo News that the museum administrator had promised to have guards with guns to protect the museum from looting. It is his failure, not that of our troops.

223 posted on 04/12/2003 11:04:22 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf (Iraqis say, Good, Very Good, Bush Good!)
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To: terilyn
"I happen to believe that chasing down the Fedayeen and protecting the doctors and hospitals is of significantly higher importance than protecting artifacts. "

I happen to believe they could have done all of these things.

224 posted on 04/12/2003 11:06:52 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: Lauratealeaf
I read on Yahoo News that the museum administrator had promised to have guards with guns to protect the museum from looting

At least now you are engaging in addressing just who the perps were in allowing this horrific event to happen. That is good. I suspect this "promise" thingie won't get one very far in sanitizing the US military planners from responsibility, but that is beside the point. I salute you from moving a bit off the dime.

225 posted on 04/12/2003 11:08:38 PM PDT by Torie
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To: DensaMensa
Our troops are not museum guards, hospital guards, school guards, business guards, traffic cops or infrastructure developers.

Then why are they guarding oil fields?

226 posted on 04/12/2003 11:10:33 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Verginius Rufus
There's a ton of this stuff in the Oriental Institute in Chicago...

The amount of "stuff" in the Oriental Institute in Chicago is TRIVIAL compared to what was in that museum.

227 posted on 04/12/2003 11:13:06 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Lauratealeaf; Torie; terilyn; Theresa
I believe we have a better record than the military did in World War ll.

At least in World War II we tried to prevent looting and we started thinking about the problem long before the D-Day invasion.

Anyway, nobody is getting convinced here. Two camps have formed and are both formulating their arguments in black-and-white terms and it's turning into a cat fight. I'm going to bed.

228 posted on 04/12/2003 11:17:39 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Constitution Day
My current reading includes Ancient Iraq by Georges Roux.

That's the best general history of Mesopotamia that has ever been written. And Roux was a medical doctor.

229 posted on 04/12/2003 11:17:51 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Fracas
...in a time of war, every focus should be on saving lives.

Then why are we guarding oil fields?

230 posted on 04/12/2003 11:19:53 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Fifth Business
The planners knew about oil and not the museum. This issue of the museum, and its potential for being looted during the period when no civil authority was in place, was simply missed. Nobody thought about it. It certainly didn't hit the press as a concern.
231 posted on 04/12/2003 11:22:43 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
issue of the museum, and its potential for being looted during the period when no civil authority was in place, was simply missed.

Well they were given very complete lists of sites of historic and cultural importance. It's hard to believe this museum was left off the list. I believe you that it was an oversight, but I don't think it should have been an oversight. This will be a stain on the entire effort if it is true.

232 posted on 04/12/2003 11:28:32 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Lauratealeaf
I am waiting for you do admit that it is a fact of life that people risk their lives to save property.

"It is his failure, not that of our troops."

I blame the Pentagon not the troops. If Rummy tries to brush this off I will lose some respect for him. It's not a joke these are not cheap vases. And I read in the Washington Post that they won't be able to get the vast majority of this stuff back. Just sickening.

233 posted on 04/12/2003 11:29:18 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: terilyn
"Sigh* You are trying to equate a domestic criminal issue with a war zone. "

War zone schmore zone. It does not matter. That is not an excuse in the case of this museum. It was not just some crummy office building. The stuff is gone forever. Forever. It WAS worth risking lives for. And the sad thing is, it is very doubtful that anybody would have died over it. Terrible calamity.

234 posted on 04/12/2003 11:41:53 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"The point of view of valuing these relics above all else that is happening over there, and wanting heads to roll over artifacts that have only emotional value is what is profoundly pernicious in my opinon."

Right now it is not the most important thing. But when the war is over and everything is settled down, people are going to hit the ceiling when it fully hits home that this stuff is gone forever. And we are going to be blamed, not a bunch of starving looters. What do you mean only emotional value? They have monetary value, spiritual value, artistic value, intellectual value, historical value, scientific value and literary value.

235 posted on 04/12/2003 11:55:23 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: Fifth Business
"Then why are they guarding oil fields?"

Good point. Answer: because they are worth risking lives for and so was that museum.

236 posted on 04/12/2003 11:59:48 PM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: Theresa
A few people in very small 'world of antiquities' circles may hit the ceiling, but most people will not be paying attention.

The stuff has monetary value to people who value the emotional values of "spiritual value, artistic value, intellectual value, historical value, scientific value and literary value". For that reason, it will end up being sold into the hands of those people who value it, and end up back in museums collecting dust.
237 posted on 04/13/2003 12:02:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"For that reason, it will end up being sold into the hands of those people who value it, and end up back in museums collecting dust."

I thought that too but in reality it does not usually work out that way. Anyway I am very glad that most people are not like you. Given that you don't value ancient artifacts we might expect you to tear down the great Pyramids to build a bowling alley. Troll.

238 posted on 04/13/2003 12:39:46 AM PDT by Theresa (on)
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To: Theresa
it is a stinking museum. your priorities are whacked.
239 posted on 04/13/2003 1:58:43 AM PDT by ambrose
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To: terilyn
some people's values are totally f'd up, as you can see. we've lost over 100 Americans fighting in Iraq... do you think these museum lovers got even 1/2 as worked up over that?
240 posted on 04/13/2003 2:02:54 AM PDT by ambrose
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