Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: dirtboy
"so for the government to compel a grocery store to provide them with discount-card data would often be a violation of the agreement between the customer and the store upon issuance of the card. "

I'm afraid you're a lot more trusting of the government than I am. I have no reason to hide my transactions, so I don't bother. For me, this discussion is an ideological one, not a personal one.

Look at the current relationship between the federal government and the banking industry. Your data is transparently available to the feds under many circumstances, and court orders are easily obtained in any case.

Consider the library situation that has developed.

I'm sorry, but ideals don't seem to be in place any longer with regard to privacy from government intrusion.
28 posted on 04/11/2003 12:16:29 PM PDT by MineralMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies ]


To: MineralMan
Where are those penumbras when you need 'em?
33 posted on 04/11/2003 12:22:46 PM PDT by B Knotts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies ]

To: MineralMan
I'm afraid you're a lot more trusting of the government than I am. I have no reason to hide my transactions, so I don't bother. For me, this discussion is an ideological one, not a personal one.

The issue I mentioned is not a matter of trusting the government. If you read the form when you sign up for many discount cards, the retailer specifies limits on how your purchase data will be shared. Releasing it to the government would be a violation of that agreement. And it's really moot anyway, as one can simply pay cash and not use a discount card, so the only people who would have data transmitted from discount card databases would be those who don't care, as you do.

Look at the current relationship between the federal government and the banking industry. Your data is transparently available to the feds under many circumstances, and court orders are easily obtained in any case.

A court order is still required, which limits the ability to obtain data in bulk - and, in addition, probable cause to obtain a court order needs to come from other sources, not the financial data itself.

Consider the library situation that has developed.

And libraries are nuking records as a result. That law of unintended consequences thang that is a rider on every bill passed by Congress but that is never considered during debate.

I'm sorry, but ideals don't seem to be in place any longer with regard to privacy from government intrusion.

I've developed an alternative view towards this problem. Gun grabbers sometimes postulate the idea of keeping guns legal but outlawing ammo. I think we should reverse that concept regarding personal data and its use by the feds - we really can't do too much about the mountains of data that are legally available from private sources (the ammo) - but we CAN institute controls on governmental databases and analytical tools that use this data (the guns). So IMO the best approach is to worry less about the minuitae of the data (where the feds can bury data-gathering mechanisms deep in legislation where only the most masochistic wonks can find them) and instead concentrate on review of the databases, which are much larger projects that sooner or later appear on the political radar screens.

34 posted on 04/11/2003 12:24:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (United States 2, Terror-sponsoring regimes 0, waiting to see who's next in the bracket)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson