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All this means to me is that mainstream religion is pushing socialism. If I was religious, which I'm not, I'd think this was evidence for the "end times" or something.

Sad to see so much of religion infiltrated by the forces of evil.

All this means to me is that mainstream religion is pushing socialism.

You hit the nail on the head.

On the first Sunday after 9-11-01, my Catholic priest demanded us to pray for Osama bin Laden. That was a little hard to take so soon for those of us who saw the towers burning and lost friends and relatives in a despicable, hateful attack ...

Then the other priest in the town was kicked out of the church for pedophilic activity...

Then my kid got printed "religious education" materials with socialist messages decrying the "sinfulness" of capitalism and the idealistic vision of worldwide peace "if only" people would freely share (redistribute) their wealth and refuse to fight with other people no matter what ...

Then when the question of war with Iraq was introduced, I could not get through a single church service without feeling shame and recognized the irreconciable differences with church philosophy which denigrated America's "arrogance" and "unshared prosperity".

I stopped going to church, at least for now, but I still pray for President Bush, the safe return of our troops and the future of America and a free (therefore peaceful) world.

Sad to see so much of religion infiltrated by the forces of evil.

Catholics and protestants have more in common than they will admit. One can definitely say that the bureaucracy in all deniminations is top heavy with liberals, and unaccountable bishops. As Lord Acton said "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly".

So many bishops think they are infallible and know better and are living the good life without physical want or need. The bad apples are ripe for the picking in all branches of Christianity. A grass roots Christian jihad is way over due - the term "Crusade" doesn't describe the mindless devotion needed to overcome the fanaticism of Islam.

The success in Iraq feels like the beginning of something else - a long overdue push to recognize that Western Christian values are the underpinning of civilization and the future of mankind. The lack of understanding or tolerance of this fact drives the Islamics, the Chinese and western liberals.

It is impossible to believe let alone understand the dynamic of Christian civilization if you are schooled to know only human values as relevant to existance. Liberal secular madrassas of higher education are strict interpreters of a secular reality where all things are measured against the yard stick of humanity. External interference and guidance of human affairs as historically recorded throughout history in the bible, the bagavagita and ANY other ancient document (religious or not) is ignored by current academics. Carl Sagan was a great example. Since divine influence is not under their control or not viewed by them as controllable - it doesn't exit. So they take the point of view that God, divine intervention and all things religious are superstition. It's becoming a genetic thing. Either you "get it" and understand how the spirit influences humanity or you deny its existence. Every culture in history has known about the existence of a divine force in our lives. Native Americans knew about the "great spirit". Secularization is an anomaly.

Chistian jihad - a peaceful effort to extend Christianity is way overdue. It is the duty of Christians to support their team and not hide their light "under a bushel". Christianity will overcome its opposition by culturally superimposing christian values, laws and mores. This is what JP2 has said - It is the best way but a road trip to Baghdad every once and a while is refreshing.

I'd have to say it's more the leadership than the people.

Of course, we are somehow responsible for the leadership, I guess.

But then Bill Clinton was president for 8 years.