Posted on 04/09/2003 10:34:46 AM PDT by freepatriot32
Asif Iqbal, a Rochester, New York, management consultant, must get FBI clearance every Monday and Thursday when he flies to and from Syracuse for business. Iqbal can't get off a government watch list because he shares the same name as a suspected terrorist.
But Asif Iqbal, the suspected terrorist, is eight years younger than his Rochester namesake.
What's more, the suspected terrorist Iqbal has been in U.S. custody at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since January 2002 when he was captured in Afghanistan. In a letter to his congressional representative, Iqbal of New York said he was first denied the ability to board a plane on Feb. 18, 2002, almost a full month after the British Foreign Office informed the suspected terrorist Iqbal's family that he was being held as an "enemy combatant."
(Excerpt) Read more at wired.com ...
... Wittgenstein, Toynbee, Burke, D'Annunzio, Feyerabend, Evola et al are conservativesYou posted my profile somehow hoping to undermine my position, or implying that my position is somehow undermine by who I am, what I do etc.?
"No need to thank me for the civics lesson." -Asclepius- No need to think you'll get any, as you gave no 'lessons', -- just laughs.I failed to reach you with the light of sound reasoning, yes. But the loss is yours.
Here's your consistency, sonny-boy.It's still one person, one case, no matter how many times our friend is inconvenienced. It is hardly evidence of a government conspiracy to deprive you or anyone else of your rights, duck-bite guy. Forgive me if I require that your evidence support your claims--which, at the moment, it does not. But please try again. Everyone is capable of growth. I have faith in you.
I posted your self-puffery to show how ridiculous you are, and why we laugh at you.
Apparently the irony escaped you, ancient one. This is precisely what you accuse our government of doing to our Arab brothers and sisters. Please try to avoid contradicting yourself so glaringly.
I've 'accused' no one of anything. - Save you of being laughably conceited. Ironic you can't see that.
"No need to thank me for the civics lesson." -Asclepius- No need to think you'll get any, as you gave no 'lessons', -- just laughs. I failed to reach you with the light of sound reasoning, yes. But the loss is yours.
Whatever. - I'll live.
I posted your self-puffery to show how ridiculous you are, and why we laugh at you.Ah. So it was simply a personal attack and not an attempt to contribute to the discussion at all. I admire your candor. But you may want to review the Freerepublic FAQ etc. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, please, attack away.
I've 'accused' no one of anything. - Save you of being laughably conceited. Ironic you can't see that.And my laughable conceit has to do with what, precisely? You may want to consider actually contributing to the discussion. Just a thought.
Whatever. - I'll live.Indeed. But what did Socrates say about your kind of life?
Ah. So it was simply a personal attack and not an attempt to contribute to the discussion at all.
It was a remark to draw attention to your hypocrisy. Nearly every post on this thread, you have made personal slurs, and conceited remarks.
I admire your candor. But you may want to review the Freerepublic FAQ etc. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, please, attack away.
I've neither 'attacked', nor 'accused' anyone of anything. - Save you of being laughably conceited. Ironic you can't see that.
And my laughable conceit has to do with what, precisely? You may want to consider actually contributing to the discussion. Just a thought.
Whatever. - I'll settle for yanking your chains.
'AB' is doing a great job on your socalled 'contributiions'.
Indeed. But what did Socrates say about your kind of life?
I suspect that if you actually knew, you would have attempted to spout off about it. --
I'll settle for yanking your chains.Cool! I love it when the little ones admit defeat by abandoning their arguments, falling back on personal attacks as a fig-leaf for their shattered dignity. I shall move on to more interesting players. Thank you and play again anytime.
'AB' is doing a great job on your socalled 'contributiions'.You think? He sort of fell all to little pieces early on. Rather reminds of an Iraqi division on the run. But maybe he can regroup. One never knows.
In fact, he has grown bored with your silliness. Life's too short.Indeed. Apparently it was too short for you to stay in school. No big deal. I'm sure you're as happy as you can possibly be in this incarnation. I wish you all the best, boredom guy.
Have fun now, as you will soon run out of those who are interested.Yeah? Well, I have yet to shake you loose, little one. And you are hardly unique, believe me. I blame our public schools. So we shall see.
After all, can you prove that they are not simply making an innocent mistake?Which is why we have courts. Only the burden of proof is on them, not us. As long as means of redress or relief exist--e.g. an independent judiciary, ballot boxes etc.--I will tend to see these as technical, administrative, operational questions, not political questions.
Your conceit is unshakeable, - I'll grant you that, 'big one'.You've given me no grounds to believe otherwise. In fact, quite the contrary. Normally I feel sort of average. Next to you I feel like a super genius. Thank you for that.
"Under what circumstances does an American have to show his ID?"OK. Good point--good question etc. Going to a shopping mall, probably not. Boarding an aircraft (where the stakes are somewhat higher), I would probably agree that we should be asked to show ID etc.
If you ask me, this guy should be able to travel where he wants without telling anybody his name. If they don't know his name, no problem. Do you agree with that?Wow. That's a really good question. In principle, I think I agree with you. In practice, however, how are you going to book a hotel room or a flight or use a credit card to pay for a meal in a restaurant without using your name? We give up our names all the time, wherever we are, for any number of reasons. Is the issue then to whom we are giving up our names?
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