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To: Deuce
They didn't as you have already noted.

Currency is anything that circulates as money.

Hamilton is the greatest of the founders after Washington and in fact ran the government for the first two terms and most of Adam's. His is one of the greatest men in history and his genius is responsible for the great success of our nation.

Lack of specie was a FACT. As though Hamilton could talk people into believing that. Hysterical. He was an incredible genius but not that much of one.

I know you prefer to ignore real history but it won't fly with those who have studied the era after the REvolution.
155 posted on 04/15/2003 2:53:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I see you continue your arrogant condescending ways. Good job

156 posted on 04/15/2003 2:55:04 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I asked:

If you believe that unbacked paper currency (as distinct from paper promises of real money) was intended by the framers, why do you think they waited until 1933 to do issue it?

You answered:

They didn't and have used wildcat banking and the First Bank of the U.S. as your examples.

Neither they nor any bank ever issue unbacked paper money until the Federal Reserve did from 1933 forward. The government did, temporarily, in the past to finance the Civil War. These are facts that can't be ignored.

I have to go out now, but when I come back I will establish that Hamilton/Morris were just some of the first elites who controlled money for themselves and the special interests they represented and used their smarts to hoodwink others. The disingenuity of Hamilton's published arguments can be easily seen if you are willing to be objective. Shortness of specie supply is a specious argument as I will also demonstrate on my return.

158 posted on 04/15/2003 3:21:28 PM PDT by Deuce
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To: justshutupandtakeit
In his report in support of a National Bank, Hamilton says:

The emitting of paper money by the authority of government is wisely prohibited to the individual states by the national constitution, and the spirit of that prohibition ought not to be disregarded by the Government of the United States. Though paper emissions, under a general authority, might have some advantage not applicable to the states, and be free of some disadvantages to the like emissions of the States, separately, they are of a nature so liable to abuse---and it may even be affirmed, so certain of being abused, that the wisdom of the Government will be shown in never trusting itself with the use of so seducing and dangerous an expedient. In times of tranquility, it might have no ill consequence; it might even be productive of good; but, in great and trying emergencies, there is almost a moral certainty of its becoming mischievous. The stamping of paper is an operation so much easier that the laying of taxes, that a Government, in the practice of paper emissions, would rarely fail, in any such emergency, to indulge itself too far in the employment of that resource, to avoid, as much as possible, one less auspicious to present popularity. If it should not even be carried so far as to be rendered an absolute bubble, it would at leasat be likely to be extended to a degree which would occasion an inflated and artificial state of things, incompatible with the regular and prosperous course of political economy.

AH goes on to distinguish between paper emissions by government and those, payable in coin, by a bank. He argues, disingenuously, that fractional reserve banks can, if necessary, liquidate assets in order to honor its promise of redemption in coin. He disingenuously disguises that banking enterprises, particularly those bestowed with government monopoly, will act to benefit the bankers and their clients at the expense of general interest and will respond to whatever sums its most important client, the government, wishes to borrow. He disingenuously invents the implied power of Congress to incorporate. He, then, disingenuously argues that such corporation would not be a monopoly when it quite clearly would be. He then argues, disingenuously that if there were not a national bank the government could, itself, emit bills redeemable on demand in specie when he was well aware that the power to “emit bills” was stricken from an early draft of Article I, Section 8, Clause 2. He, then, disingenuously argues that the bank would facilitate borrowing by the government and could, therefore, be incorporated under the power “To borrow money on the credit of the United States.” He, then, disingenuously argues interstate commerce, Congress’ power to make rules and regulations concerning the personal as well as real property of the United States. He, then, disingenuously argues that all of the expressed financial powers taxation, borrowing, coining, all combined to create an implied power to create the bank.

Snake oil, anyone? Totalitarianism, anyone?

162 posted on 04/16/2003 7:35:56 AM PDT by Deuce
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