[stuartcr]

True, this is the greatest nation in history, that's one of the reasons we all can have humble opinions. My HO, is that the desire for liberty, is a human trait, and has nothing to do with religion. I also do not believe that our country is the way it is because of Christian natures.

[henderson field]

I must disagree with your assertion that this country is not as it is due to the influence of the Christian, and specifically the Protestant religion ("a country without a king, a church without a pope"). The Founders were Protestants almost without exception. The Protestant ethic infuses everything that is American. The United States could not have been formed in the way it was, for example, by Muslims. Those who elect to maintain their own foreign religion upon arriving here are only provisional Americans.

[A2J]

I also do not believe that our country is the way it is because of Christian natures.

I agree.

Had we remained with the Christian virtues from which the nation was built, we would not be killing millions of our own babies.

[Constantine XIII]

On its face, this would seem reasonable. If this is true we would expect to see free Non-Christian nations, but I cannot think of any off the top of my head. I guess the country that comes closest would be Japan. Even Japan, however, isn't the United States.

The fact of the matter is that areligious revolutions tend to focus on materialism, like the French and Russian Revolution. The scholars of both countries were steeped in the tradition of Enlightenment philosophy, as our founders were, but how much did it help?

Non-Christian religious revolutions and reorganizations generally have unpleasant outcomes, especially for those not with the new "in" crowd. I won't say "Ayatollah you so." (dodges flying trout)

We can agree to disagree, though. Nifty, isn't it?! :o)

[Zavien Doombringer]

I also do not believe that our country is the way it is because of Christian natures.

It is because of Christian Attributes and Biblical Morals that we have liberties and freedoms we enjoy. He who the LORD sets free is FREE INDEED. It doesn't matter what you "believe", what matters is what the truth is.