Should American Christians Die To Liberate Iraqi Muslims?

ood Reports ^ | April 9, 2003 | Mary Mostert

[Utah Girl]

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[Ga Rob]

"You see, by your argument you are either a solipsist or complete moral relativist. Both of these lead to utter chaos."......

Ah....I see because I don't believe the way you do...I'm whatever you say. I do set the standards for myself. Society sets standards as well, mostly those don't meet my standards,mine are higher. I've always based my attitude, actions and standards on whether or not they would make my mother proud.

What makes Sadamm a demon dictator?? That's a pretty stupid question, his record that's what!! I'm not a saint, don't think I ever claimed to be. Got anymore?? I mean you can do better can't you??

[stuartcr]

Ga Rob did not say he set the standard, you did. Ga Rob said he knows right from wrong, there is a difference. Perhaps being a human being created by God is the inherent standard for knowing right from wrong, and religious thinking manipulates this standard. What seems to be morally right for a Muslim could be seen as wrong for a Christian. A pagan or atheist is as capable of knowing right from wrong, as anyone is.

[stuartcr]

Strike my first 2 lines, I was writing and didn't see his response.

[NoamChimpsky]

"Should American Christians Die To Liberate Iraqi Muslims?"

-Only bible-thumpers like Falwell and Robertson

[CaptainJustice]

Its our duty to confront evil when we can. We live in the greatest nation on the face of the earth, we are blessed beyond compare. It is our duty to try to spread our blessings around. An individual should be responsible to be a good steward of his blessings, and a nation should be a good steward of its blessings. When america stops caring, i think we'll experience calamity.

[PhilipFreneau]

Should American Christians Die To Liberate Iraqi Muslims?

Liberating others follows the Law of the Lord. The Law of the Lord is this: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets [Matthew 7:12]".

[FourPeas]

My first thoughts exactly. There is no greater love.

[Poohbah]

It's the "religion nonsense" that gives meaning to humans dying for other humans. God did that for us; why should we not that for others?

The parable of the Good Samaritan is instructive.

In that parable is God's final answer to Cain's smarta$$ question, "Am I my brother's keeper?"

And God says, "Yup, you are. Get out there and do good for him."

[My2Cents]

Bingo! Great response.

[Ga Rob]

Yes I did say I set the standard...for myself. Wouldn't that entail knowing right from wrong??

[My2Cents]

I'm reminded of an old WWII poster, showing a line of men in WWII uniform marching past a rank of Valley Forge Revolutionary soldiers; the caption reads "AMERICANS ALWAYS FIGHT FOR FREEDOM".

Wow. If you ever find that poster, scan it and post it!

[My2Cents]

Excellent citation. That's the one I was thinking of.

[Zavien Doombringer]

Thank you!

[MOX]

Hey wisenheimer, this is a philosophical question. You've already admitted there is a universal standard for right and wrong. My point is you must also admit that this standard cannot be derived by your whim or your mother's pride... it must have a source other than yourself. If you dissagree with that than you are an adherent of solipism. If you believe anyone can determine right and wrong for themselves then you are a moral relativist. I'm sure you are neither. I'm asking you to consider the true source of the standard. Christianity maintains the source is the Triune God. Athiests are moral relativists. Most 3rd world dictators are solipsists.

[stuartcr]

Seems that way to me. I believe that all humans are born with a knowledge of right and wrong, and with the predilection for using this knowledge....some are good, some are bad.

[MOX]

Hey wisenheimer, this is a philosophical question. You've already admitted there is a universal standard for right and wrong. My point is you must also admit that this standard cannot be derived by your whim or your mother's pride... it must have a source other than yourself. If you dissagree with that than you are an adherent of solipism. If you believe anyone can determine right and wrong for themselves then you are a moral relativist. I'm sure you are neither. I'm asking you to consider the true source of the standard. Christianity maintains the source is the Triune God. Athiests are moral relativists. Most 3rd world dictators are solipsists.

[stuartcr]

North or South?

[Zavien Doombringer]

I also do not believe that our country is the way it is because of Christian natures.

It is because of Christian Attributes and Biblical Morals that we have liberties and freedoms we enjoy. He who the LORD sets free is FREE INDEED. It doesn't matter what you "believe", what matters is what the truth is.