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Parties weigh in on Iraq war. Libertarians, Greens, others take dim view of U.S. action
WorldNetDaily ^ | April 9, 2003 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/08/2003 10:50:51 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Most Americans know where Republicans and Democrats stand on the war in Iraq, but few have heard views on the war expressed by the plethora of other, smaller political parties.

Accepted as the nation's third-largest organized political party, the Libertarian Party generally advocates a military policy of non-interventionism unless such intervention is directly tied to American security.

"Any U.S. military policy should have the objective of providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the American people in the U.S. against the risk of attack by a foreign power. This objective should be achieved as inexpensively as possible and without undermining the liberties it is designed to protect," says the party's platform on "Military Policy."

Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the libertarian CATO Institute in Washington, D.C., says of the Iraq war, "The only pertinent issue is whether Iraq poses a serious, imminent threat to the United States, thereby justifying pre-emptive war. The pro-war camp has utterly failed to make the case that Iraq poses such a threat."

"There is no doubt that Saddam is a murderous tyrant. But that characteristic does not distinguish him from several dozen other rulers around the world," Carpenter said. "If overthrowing a dictator is sufficient reason for the United States to go to war, one must ask how many other holy crusades are in our future?"

Harry Browne, the Libertarian Party's presidential nominee in 1996 and 2000, writes, "Our government's attempts to fight communism or spread democracy around the world have caused millions of innocent people to die in Iran, Indonesia, Iraq, Panama, Guatemala, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Grenada, Cambodia and many other countries. All the good intentions in the world are little comfort to the people buried prematurely all over the globe.

"What I want is for our government … to quit pretending it knows what's best for other countries; to quit inciting terrorists by backing coups and dictatorial regimes; to quit generating hostility by bribing foreign governments to allow American troops to be stationed in a hundred countries; to quit giving our money to foreign countries – no matter whose side they're on," Browne says.

Some libertarian-minded pundits wholeheartedly support the war against Iraq. Author and syndicated radio host Neal Bootz says, "The real pity is that the United States and Great Britain, with some help from a group of willing allies, have to go this alone against Saddam Hussein. … Here is a man who idolizes Stalin. He murders tens of thousands with poison gas. He gouges the eyes out of children to teach lessons to their parents. He builds weapons of mass destruction and secrets them for some future purpose. He defies demands from the international community to disarm and behave. Then, when push finally comes to shove, much of the world takes a powder. Pathetic."

The America First Party, meanwhile, is supportive of U.S. troops but last week adopted a policy condemning the war.

"Since its founding nearly one year ago, the America First Party has been the leading voice against this war, on the right," said national Chairman Dan Charles. "We have held to a consistent and principled position. By passing this resolution, the national committee has reaffirmed the party's strong stand that this war against Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States.

"We have reaffirmed our commitment to ensure that the Constitution is followed. We have reaffirmed our commitment to the sovereignty and security of our beloved nation," Charles continued. "We have reaffirmed our love, support and respect for our brave sons and daughters who are being misused by President Bush to fight a war that violates our Constitution and the principles so many have fought and died to protect."

Jerry Baxley, chairman of the Southern Party National Committee, told WorldNetDaily he wonders what happened to the war on terror.

"It is the position of the Southern Party to ask why would the president of the United States not go after the people who masterminded the attacks on Virginia and New York as he had stated in the beginning," he said. "We also ask why the president would, with the support of both the Republicans and the Democrats, stage a war with a sovereign nation without proof that the nation had the weapons of mass destruction or that it was involved in the attacks of Virginia or New York.

"The actions of President Bush are the same actions of President Lincoln 140 years ago, and that is to invade a sovereign nation without legal reason," Baxley added. "Yes, the Republican Party is still the party of Lincoln and the Democrats no better."

James Clymer, chairman of the Constitution Party National Committee, said there was "not unanimity among our members" regarding the war in Iraq. But generally, he told WND, "the war is undertaken in an unconstitutional manner, i.e., there has been no declaration of war and Congress has abdicated its responsibility by granting general powers of aggression to the president."

"If the cause be just, let Congress debate the issues and make a declaration of war and engage the enemy with a firm resolve to win, regardless of what the U.N. or any other international body may say," Clymer said.

"There are serious concerns that this war may be the indication of a new imperialism on which the U.S. is embarking, flexing our muscles and asserting our authority as the world's only superpower, in areas of the world where we as a nation do not have a direct vital interest," said Clymer. "This is contrary to our heritage and our constitutional form of government."

The Radical Women Freedom Socialist Party advocates outright defeat of the U.S. by Baghdad.

"The hope that a U.S.-led war of mass destruction against Iraq could be averted has evaporated like a water droplet in the Saudi desert," says a statement released by the party entitled, "Victory to the Iraqis over U.S. imperialism!"

The Green Party wants the United Nations to act to stop U.S. "aggression." According to the party's statement, "U.S. Greens have adopted a proposal to urge the United Nations to invoke Resolution 377 ('Uniting for Peace') in response to the invasion of Iraq by the United States. … 'Uniting for Peace' allows the U.N. General Assembly to circumvent the veto of the Security Council and take action when a permanent member of the Security Council, in this case the U.S., commits an unprovoked act of military aggression."

"Under international law, it is a war crime to attack, or threaten to attack, another country that has not first attacked us. Iraq has not attacked us," says a statement released by the Socialist Party U.S.A. "The men who gave the orders to attack Iraq are war criminals, as surely as the war criminals who have stood trial in The Hague for genocide."

The Communist Party U.S.A. also believes the war against Iraq is illegal.

"With layer upon layer of misrepresentation, exaggeration, and outright lies, George W. Bush and his war cabinet have recklessly flung our nation into an illegitimate, illegal and unnecessary war," says a statement issued by CPUSA.

"The costs and consequences of this will be enormous, for our country and the world. Many lives will be lost. Political instability and right-wing religious fundamentalism will grow," the CPUSA statement continued. "The Korean Peninsula will become more inflamed. The spread of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons will gain momentum. The chances of terrorist 'blowback' will increase."

The Reform Party, founded by billionaire Ross Perot in 1992, does not have an Iraq war position published on its website and did not respond to a request for comment. In terms of foreign policy, the party's platform – adopted in 1999 – says members are "committed to a foreign policy based on the principles of consistency, decisiveness and accountability."

"We insist on a foreign policy that is proactive rather than reactive, and whose primary purpose is to enhance our country's national security," the platform said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: americafirst; boortz; browne; fringe; green; iraq; iraqifreedom; libertarian; onthehomefront; parties; political
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To: gcruse
The libertarians are going the way of the dictatorships, the democrats and all the socialistic, communistic governments. Where are their ideals of the Constitution?

They have aligned themselves with the underbellies of society. They have always cared nothing for anyone but themselves, their ideas, their views. How like them to ignore children kept in jail, torture of others, potential attacks against the U.S., any security measures for Americans.
21 posted on 04/09/2003 12:01:48 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: FairOpinion
Harry Browne is just one Libertarian...he doesn't speak for all Libertarians..
22 posted on 04/09/2003 12:11:55 AM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Frances_Marion
He did run as a Libertarian candidate for President, so his opinions do reflect upon the LP.

But I did notice that now there is a disclaimer on HarryBrowne's page, http://www.harrybrowne.org that his opinions are not necessarily those of the LP.
23 posted on 04/09/2003 12:15:42 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Dim view is an understatement here. I cannot believe the rhetorical excrement coming from these people. They smear the US and Bush like Hitler would. I had a dim view of the LP, but now, sheesh... losers.
24 posted on 04/09/2003 12:22:06 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: FairOpinion
He did run as a Libertarian candidate for President, so his opinions do reflect upon the LP.

Some people say the same thing about Stalin and Communism. It hardly is a proof. What is sure is that Libertarians are pro-China in many cases and their antigovernment stance is used as a stance against America itself to the profit of enemies. Worse, Libertarians promote dependencies (such as their disregard of the effect of drugs) while clamoring for near anarchic independence. THey are the leftist anarchics dream come true.

25 posted on 04/09/2003 12:25:08 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: FairOpinion
Just quick prediction;

Harry Browne's stance on the war will cost him the Libertarian Party nomination in 2004.
As the disclaimer says, his views are not necessarily the view of the Libertarian Party.
I think You will find that the vast majority of Libertarians in fact, do Not Agree with Mr. Harry Browne.

26 posted on 04/09/2003 12:43:36 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: Drammach
Harry Browne's stance on the war will cost him the Libertarian Party nomination in 2004.

He didn't lose anything of value.

27 posted on 04/09/2003 12:56:07 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: FairOpinion
What I [Harry Browne]want is for our government … to quit pretending it knows what's best for other countries..."

Lemme see if I've got this straight, Harry. If the Iraqi people decide that what's best for them is to be free, to no longer suffer under a brutal dictator and to welcome the US as their liberator, you think that's a bad thing? And if the overwhelming majority of Americans support liberating them, you think that's a bad thing also?

28 posted on 04/09/2003 1:28:32 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: sauropod
James Clymer, chairman of the Constitution Party National Committee

oh dear oh dear...

29 posted on 04/09/2003 3:47:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
Oh man.... Well every party must have it's assh*le i suppose...
30 posted on 04/09/2003 4:51:15 AM PDT by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: FairOpinion
Birds of a feather...
31 posted on 04/09/2003 5:32:34 AM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: FairOpinion
"Any U.S. military policy should have the objective of providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the American people in the U.S. against the risk of attack by a foreign power. This objective should be achieved as inexpensively as possible and without undermining the liberties it is designed to protect."

Don't see anything to disagree with here.

32 posted on 04/09/2003 6:08:06 AM PDT by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: lavaroise
Gee whiz, why do we keep having this same argument again, and again. Are you people really that dense? Sure, Harry Browne is wrong on this one. I think the libertarian party is also wrong on the immigration issue. But where in the world do you get the idea that libertarians have an "antigovernemt stance"? Libertarians are pro-government. It is just that the government they support is one that is founded in and bound by the Constitution. And promoting dependencies? You are kidding, right? Individual responsibility is the backbone of the libertarian philosophy. If people make choices that result in their ending up dependent on something, that's their business, but they would not end up dependent on the American taxpayer, as many are today. And anarchic independence? If you believe that a Constitutional government is anarchy, perhaps you should consider that maybe you have become comfortable in a government with ever increasing power on the slide to socialism.
33 posted on 04/09/2003 6:25:03 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (What is it that campaigns like a libertarian and governs like a democrat?)
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To: gcruse
>>>Actually, I would expect libertarians to agree with conservatives on about half the issues and liberals on the other half. Social conservatism, no. Fiscal conservatism, yes.

Not really. I'd say about 25% at best agree with traditional conservative fiscal policies. Most Libertarians, especially small "l" libertarians are political fringers and have extremist views on all the relevent issues, including fiscal policy. When you get down to it, most libertarians would rather opine about the issues, while conservative Republicans have actual legislative accomplishments.

34 posted on 04/09/2003 8:31:08 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Gnarly
So I guess that makes them WORSE than irrelevant?

If they can do damage to you, they are relevant.
35 posted on 04/09/2003 9:50:49 AM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: FairOpinion
this anti-war stance shows that they are either off on the side of the liberals, or that they lost their common sense and realism.

Fair enough As a small 'l' libertarian, I am not inherently anti-war.  The notion of pre-emption
gives me pause, though, and I was in favor of our going through the motions, at
least, with the UN to put some cloak of respectability on what we were about to
do.  We gave it a shot.  I see destablizing the ME  as a worthy goal in breaking up
that nest of vipers.  The other reasons given for attacking Iraq  -- ties to OBL, WMD's,
and a Hussein threat to the US remain to be proven.  Going to war hoping for
retroactive justification rattles my cage and should disturb conservatives, too.  The fact
that it doesn't is one reason I will remain in the libertarian camp.
36 posted on 04/09/2003 10:00:57 AM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
what does the Liberatarian Neal Boortz say?

"Some libertarian-minded pundits wholeheartedly support the war against Iraq.

"Author and syndicated radio host Neal Bootz says, "The real pity is that the United States and Great Britain, with some help from a group of willing allies, have to go this alone against Saddam Hussein. … Here is a man who idolizes Stalin. He murders tens of thousands with poison gas. He gouges the eyes out of children to teach lessons to their parents. He builds weapons of mass destruction and secrets them for some future purpose. He defies demands from the international community to disarm and behave. Then, when push finally comes to shove, much of the world takes a powder. Pathetic.""
37 posted on 04/09/2003 10:05:03 AM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: FairOpinion
How can anyone deny the happiness of the Iraqi people? They have been so horribly oppressed and tortured for so many, many years! My heart is so full of happiness for them today! And my heart is full of pride for our troops and the coalition troops!!!
38 posted on 04/09/2003 10:07:30 AM PDT by the Deejay
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To: nopardons
But, wait a minute, do you REALLY agree with ALL of the LP positions ; do you even KNOW all of them ? LOL

                       I know I am against gungrabber/drugwarrior/lifestylepolice.
                       That is sufficient to place me more into libertarian views than
                       either liberal or conservative exclusively.  What I am for,
                        individual liberty to the max with concommitant self-responsibility
                        fixes it in stone.
39 posted on 04/09/2003 10:08:46 AM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: nopardons
Hateful rhetoric won't bring the libertarians into your tent anytime soon, either. And as long as the electorate remains divided at 50/50, little things will continue to have big effects.
40 posted on 04/09/2003 10:10:51 AM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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