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***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - Day 21 - LIVE THREAD***
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| April 9, 2003
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Posted on 04/08/2003 9:03:27 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate
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posted on
04/08/2003 10:30:49 PM PDT
by
stlnative
(Were it not for the braveā¦there'd be no land of the free.)
CNN now quoting US mil official,
Most Iraqi troops in Baghdad have given up.
What given up means???? Surrender? Left town?
To: spectr17
Syrians have been told we can do to them in one hour what we did to Iraq in 21 days.
343
posted on
04/08/2003 10:31:03 PM PDT
by
Fledermaus
("We aren't softening them up, we are killing them!")
To: amom
Thanks. He is a sweety.
344
posted on
04/08/2003 10:31:16 PM PDT
by
Slip18
To: rolling_stone
Marshall McLuhan.... Yep...did he NAIL it, or what! What insight!!
345
posted on
04/08/2003 10:31:38 PM PDT
by
O Neill
To: dogbyte12
You're right, the fog of war can make anything possible, but I guess what I'm saying is that if the journalists said there were no shots because Baghdad Bob and his henchmen were holding guns to their heads, then that has some bearing on the reporting going on.
P.S.: I'm about 50 posts behind... tried to trim my fingernail with a hammer earlier. ;-)
To: AFPhys
That may have appeared in something called " ARAB NEWS "; however, it was written by a Libertarian white male,filled with hatred for America and contempt for EVERYONE else too.
A HUGE BARF ALERT should have appeared in the header and no one should take the drivel as gospel. Yes, it DOES contain a few grains of truth in it, but not enough to make anyone take it as factual.
To: FirstFlaBn
I agree about our journalists, and pray for their safety. The main difference is the US doesn't use them as a way to avoid taking fire, and that is clearly what the Iraqi Information Ministry is doing by parking themselves at the Palestine.
I think you're on to something when this thing gets near the end (if we haven't almost reached it already). There is a good chance that the Army and Marines may still have to go in there and rescue the media before this thing is over.
To: MEG33
I totally agree with you about this being a legal shot. :) Sorry for the delay on getting back to you.
349
posted on
04/08/2003 10:32:17 PM PDT
by
GOPyouth
(Heather Nauert and Belly Girl are all that are women!)
To: Prince Charles
If the press was saying there were no shots from the hotel, yet the tankers say they were taking significant fire, then someone is either incorrect or is shading the truth. Those are the two possibilities, yep.
Two further points of information: I've heard from a number of different people who were watching/listening to a BagCam feed at the time that they heard nearby small arms fire before the tank fired. Further, the Iraqi Ministry of Information could be exerting a strong influence on the remaining journalists in the hotel -- who have all been heavily exposed to Baghdad Bob's reality distortion field anyway.
Given that, I'm more inclined to believe the tankers.
350
posted on
04/08/2003 10:32:26 PM PDT
by
algol
To: Howlin
All the news that fits...
the agenda.
To: bootyist-monk
Isn't there video of the incident?
352
posted on
04/08/2003 10:33:02 PM PDT
by
pnz1
To: Fracas
I worked in the media a long time. Journalists are taught that their right to report is sacrosanct...and that sometimes interferes with their common sense. A distinction should be made between those journalists who chose to 'embed' with the military under Pentagon authority, and those who are 'wild cards' hanging out at the hotel. While I don't think they should be targets, Vince Brooks and Torie Clarke made an excellent point: they were TOLD that Baghdad was not safe.
I agree with all your points. I took 15 hours of journalism, put in a lot of time with a pad in my back pocket (print only), and then spent years dealing with them as an elected official. My daughter is a MassComm major.
I agree with Shep's point, too; I don't agree with his making it in that manner, after they've kept this story on the front page so long. Air's limited; other stories have suffered.
353
posted on
04/08/2003 10:33:03 PM PDT
by
umbagi
To: Dolphy
Chaos was the battle plan, not conventional warfare. Any nation observing our military behavior throughout the Clinton era would be mislead into believing we really are that inept. Throw a little chaos at us, and we'll fold up like a cheap ladder.
Our greatest advantage is that we learn from our mistakes, unlike dictatorships that have no choice but to follow the Party's battle plan.
Communists and democrats approach war the same way -- plans carved in stone, and a propoganda campaign to deny mistakes were made.
I find it believable that Putin would underestimate us so badly. He's an old-line communist, and believes the Soviet Union still has a chance at world domination.
If he is involved on the wrong side, boy, did he screw up.
To: sf4dubya
If your sister lives near you, he's close by. He lives in Truckee, CA. Skiing anyone?
355
posted on
04/08/2003 10:33:36 PM PDT
by
Slip18
To: Fledermaus
I just had a thought (strange, I know)...wouldn't it be great to officially recognize the new Iraqi government on July 4, 2003?
356
posted on
04/08/2003 10:33:40 PM PDT
by
Fledermaus
("We aren't softening them up, we are killing them!")
To: angelwings49; najida; amom
I'm pretty fond of this photo myself! A member of the U.S. Marine 15th Expeditionary Unit Fox Company 'Raiders.
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To: Dolphy
True, but I'm not arguing that it was the tankers who were shading the truth. I'm accusing the press who were at the hotel, who may or may not be free to report what they see.
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