[JRandomFreeper]

Wuebbles said looking at core ice and soil samples going back 1,000 years, there's no question the climate globally is warmer now than in any previous era.

"Wuebbles wobble, but they don't fall down." ... for those of you old enough to remember that commercial.

"Any previous era" applies to BEFORE 1000 years ago. In fact, according to my very outdated dictionary, an era is "a division of geological history of highest rank." The dictionary gives durations of eras as anywhere from 1 to 75 million years.

Small data samples over a short period of time corrupt the experiment.

/john

[lawdude]

They should complain to "Mother Nature". She is, after all, the sole arbitor of all things natural. We, as mere humans can act as a gnats flatulance in a hurricane w/ regard to things ecological.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

Were the Great Lakes dry during the Medieval years?

[nightdriver]

Even if this garbage were so, it would only mean that more moisture would be evaproated from the oceans increasing the amount of rainfall. The temperate and tropical zones would shift farther from the equator. We could have palm trees in Montana and Siberia. It all balances out.

[caisson71]

Ooops, I can hear the demand for more federal funding because we're facing a disaster in the next 1,000 years. Maybe Hans Blix will listen to them. He seems to be out of a job right now and he is more concerned about global warming.

[gitmo]

The Great Lakes states will look more like parts of the South and Southwest by the end of the century as a result of global warming, a report released Tuesday concludes.

My Daddy predicted this 40 years ago. He told me the South would rise again.

[gitmo]

Wuebbles said looking at core ice and soil samples going back 1,000 years, there's no question the climate globally is warmer now than in any previous era.

National Geographic

Excerpt of article:

Axel Heiberg Island, at 82 degrees north and just a stone's throw from the North Pole, was once a great vacation spot—during the Eocene epoch, about 45 million years ago. Lush redwood forests, ferns, flowering plants, and a huge variety of animals, now extinct, once thrived here.


Geobiologist Hope Jahren poses next to a recently excavated redwood fossil on Axel Heiberg Island, near the North Pole. The preservation is remarkable for wood 45 million years old.

The trees were between 30 and 40 meters tall (98 and 131 feet) and densely packed, providing a canopy for a plethora of ferns and flowers, said Jahren. The largest tree found had a diameter of three meters (ten feet). What remains of these ancient redwoods today is "rather extraordinary," said Jahren.

[Mike Darancette]

Wuebbles said looking at core ice and soil samples going back 1,000 years, there's no question the climate globally is warmer now than in any previous era.

And therein lies Wuebbles problems; from the time of about 1100 AD to 1850 AD was a period of time called the "Little Ice Age" where average temperatures were below what they are now. From 1850 to 1940 average temperatures rose significantly. After 1940 they fell a little again.

At this juncture it seems the Wuebbles may have a point since temperature rises seem to coincide with human industrial activity.

But if you go back another 1,000 years, as a yet to be released Harvard study did, you find that temperatures were well above what the are now. This was a period of time called the "Medieval Maximum" where warmer temperatures allow migrations to areas of the world that had no previous settlements such as Iceland and Greenland.

All Wuebbles has done is restate what is already known; Climate patterns on earth are variable over time.

As to the Great lakes CO2 Science Magazine Stated - With respect to the Great Lakes of North America, Larson and Schaetzl (2001) present graphs of lake level fluctuations for the period 1915 to 1998, where it can be seen that the lowest levels occurred at about 1926 for Lake Superior, 1962 for Lake Huron-Michigan, 1933 for Lake Erie, and 1934 for Lake Ontario. It is also noteworthy that the longest sustained period of high lake levels for all of the Great Lakes occurred over the last 30 years. In addition, lake levels at the end of the record are essentially the same as those at the beginning of the record. Hence, over what climate alarmists claim to be the century that has exhibited the greatest warming of the entire past millennium, which according to them should result in dire consequences for just about everything, there has been no net change in the water level of any of the Great Lakes. In fact, over the past two decades of what they typically refer to as unprecedented warming, the four lakes have exhibited their greatest stability.

[T. P. Pole]

Wuebbles said looking at core ice and soil samples going back 1,000 years, there's no question the climate globally is warmer now than in any previous era.

This on the heals of ten posts this last week stating the the earth was warmer in the middle-ages than it is today.

For example, here.

[blam]

Middle Ages Were Warmer Than Today, Say Scientists

[browardchad]

The Great Lakes states will look more like parts of the South and Southwest by the end of the century as a result of global warming, a report released Tuesday concludes.

Can Global Warming Trigger a ‘Little Ice Age?’

"Global warming could actually lead to a big chill in some parts of the world. If the atmosphere continues to warm, it could soon trigger a dramatic and abrupt cooling throughout the North Atlantic region—where, not incidentally, some 60 percent of the world’s economy is based.

When I say “dramatic,” I mean: Average winter temperatures could drop by 5 degrees Fahrenheit over much of the United States, and by 10 degrees in the northeastern United States and in Europe. That’s enough to send mountain glaciers advancing down from the Alps. To freeze rivers and harbors and bind North Atlantic shipping lanes in ice. To disrupt the operation of ground and air transportation. To cause energy needs to soar exponentially. To force wholesale changes in agricultural practices and fisheries. To change the way we feed our populations. In short, the world, and the world economy, would be drastically different."

SOME say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.                                 -- Robert Frost

[Dan from Michigan]

Climate change could dry Great Lakes (Global warming alert)

Global Warming? Why the F**K is it SNOWING in April here then and the temps are 20 degrees colder.

[Cold Heat]

Not due to warming, but lack of rain!

We are swimming in other places. This stuff is mostly cyclical but some changes are pemanent and due to gradual orbital and axis changes.

We will just have to live with it. As we know, deserts and marshes have moved before, and it was not due to anything that people did or animal farts.

[Mike Darancette]

The Great Lakes states will look more like parts of the South and Southwest by the end of the century as a result of global warming, a report released Tuesday concludes.

I'll believe it when I see dead Armadillos on the roads of the Upper Peninsula of MI.

[Plutarch]

From the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) web site:

Write the President About the Iraq War

The international community has the responsibility to stop Iraq from acquiring or developing weapons of mass destruction. However, the US-led invasion is the wrong approach, as it undermines UN authority and weakens international non-proliferation efforts. Tell President Bush that you oppose the US invasion of Iraq and support a UN-mandated non-proliferation regime rooted in international law.

If the UCS is as correct about Global Warming as it was about the Iraq war, then the Great Lakes will runneth over for foreseeable eons. The UCS is the lefty scientists chapter of the Commie libs. Funny, that the article didn't mention that.

[philetus]

If the sun explodes it could melt the icecaps

[xp38]

Critical word in the headline is could. Hey I could win the lottery. Saddam could make a comeback. Marlon Brando coulda been a contender. Anything "could" happen.