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Marines Ponder Reports of Iraqis' Premature Surrender
The New York Times ^ | April 8, 2003 | Michael Wilson

Posted on 04/08/2003 3:56:31 PM PDT by AndrewSshi

WITH MARINE TASK FORCE TARAWA, west of Amara, Iraq, April 8 — If enemy troops decided to give up, but there was no opposing force to surrender to, did it really happen?

A group of Marine battalions from Task Force Tarawa swung east today toward Amara, near the Iranian border, to confront the 10th Armored Division of the Iraqi Army and determine whether it intended to surrender.

But on the initial approach to the city, there was no Iraqi division to be found.

"Apparently the 10th Armored capitulated yesterday, but they didn't have anybody to capitulate to," Lt. Col. Glenn Starnes of a Marine artillery battalion said. "The locals around there are saying they stacked their weapons, parked their vehicles and walked away. Right now, there is no enemy that we know of."

A small allied unit will approach the division's headquarters on Wednesday to make sure the Iraqis have surrendered. In the meantime, there were reports of rioting in Amara, perhaps between civilians and members of the dominant Baath Party, and the Marines do not plan to intervene, Colonel Starnes said.

"There's no forces in that city we need to take on," he said.

There were signs of surrender early today, when 13 men approached Marine vehicles on the way to Amara and surrendered. They were quickly searched and questioned on the blacktop.

"Bagging them and tagging them," as one marine put it, placing their wallets and prayer beads in plastic bags and giving each a number that matched the one written in marker on each man's hand. The soldiers were taken to a Marine camp, their wrists bound with rope.

One Iraqi soldier told an interpreter that three days ago they freed a group of their fellow soldiers who had been imprisoned for deserting.

Later today, another encouraging sign for coalition forces: on the north side of a bridge through the village of Kumayt, across the Tigris River, a "battalion's worth" of tanks were found abandoned, not a soldier in sight, a marine said.

Marines from an infantry battalion approached the bridge, but local residents told them it was wired with explosives. The civilians said they had cut the wires, but the marines waited until their own engineers had checked out the explosives.

The tanks appear to be what is left of a forward guard of the Iraqi armored division. "It's not the breadbasket," said Capt. Walker Field. "Far from it."

At full strength, the Iraqi division was thought to have 219 tanks, 260 armored personnel carriers, more than 60 artillery pieces and more than 5,000 soldiers, but those numbers are thought to have dropped dramatically, perhaps as much as 75 percent, after airstrikes in recent days.

The little town of Kumayt gave the Marines a warm welcome, crowding around individual men, tugging on sleeves, tapping shoulders, shouting in Arabic. "They think I'm Santa Claus," said Maj. Daniel Geisenhof, surrounded by a couple of dozen men and boys offering him sunflower seeds.

"U.S. soldiers help the Iraqi people," one man said in English. "Iraq people support Mr. Bush because Mr. Bush loves the Iraqi people."

Word of the bombing in Baghdad on Monday that had Saddam Hussein and his two sons as targets had already spread to the town.

"Saddam dead and two sons," the man said, though it seemed impossible that he could be sure. "Let's become people happy for the news."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: embeddedreport; fallofbaghdad; iraqis; marines; surrender; taskforcetarawa; warlist
"U.S. soldiers help the Iraqi people," one man said in English. "Iraq people support Mr. Bush because Mr. Bush loves the Iraqi people."

I'm sure this fellow would be happy to know that we have our upper-middle class white kids in dreadlocks protesting to keep him under the thumb of Hussein.

1 posted on 04/08/2003 3:56:32 PM PDT by AndrewSshi
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To: AndrewSshi
Let's exchange these Iraqis for our liberals. Hell, we'll throw in a few camels with the liberals.
2 posted on 04/08/2003 4:02:10 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: AndrewSshi
""U.S. soldiers help the Iraqi people," one man said in English. "Iraq people support Mr. Bush because Mr. Bush loves the Iraqi people."

Personally, I wouldn't mind letting these people vote in '04. *just kidding*

In any event, sounds like a lot of Iraqis have been listening to Radio Solo. Hehehehe...

3 posted on 04/08/2003 4:05:36 PM PDT by eureka! (Bless our Troops and Allies.........)
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To: AndrewSshi
bump
4 posted on 04/08/2003 4:07:15 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: AndrewSshi
Here's some other info on Amara. Appears to be some coordination issues.

CIA Pushed Iraqi Opposition Out of Southern Town

5 posted on 04/08/2003 4:19:23 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: AndrewSshi; *war_list; W.O.T.
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
6 posted on 04/08/2003 5:12:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: AndrewSshi
our upper-middle class white kids in dreadlocks protesting to keep him under the thumb of Hussein

They aren't the only ones ;-)

7 posted on 04/08/2003 5:15:28 PM PDT by struwwelpeter (borot'sya i iskat', naiti i ne sdavat'sya)
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The following picture reminds me of my college days with my head full of liberal mush:




Tue Apr 8, 6:01 PM ET High School students from left, Maja Nystedt, Zara Zandieh and Joeeny Modin protest against Swedish arms exports to the coalition forces fighting in Iraq, outside the Saabtech Electronics factory in a Stockholm suburb, Sweden Tuesday April 8, 2003.

They have painted their faces in red to fake wounds. Around 100 students took part in the demonstration

AP

8 posted on 04/08/2003 5:25:57 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
Anyone under twenty who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart.
Anyone over twenty who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.
9 posted on 04/08/2003 6:32:37 PM PDT by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: george wythe
Gee, they could have come to San Diego and gotten the real thing. Wimps.
10 posted on 04/08/2003 6:37:22 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: AndrewSshi
i can hardly wait until these iraqis let our zeros know what they think about their help for Saddam. It's a story that has to come out.
11 posted on 04/08/2003 6:41:47 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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