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Inside the hell of Saddam's torture chambers
The Times ^ | April 9, 2003 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 04/08/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: Arpege92
"the UN knew more! "

I agree and for this primary reason (along with the multitude of others) the UN should be banished as it cultivated the continuance of this horror.

Shame on the UN!!!!!!!! Shame on the Security Council!!! Shame on Kofi!!!!!
101 posted on 04/08/2003 4:33:44 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Belial; TomB
In your haste to wish that graph away, did you even bother reading it?

What data specifically does it represent?

Uh, it represents arms sales to Iraq from 1973-2002, broken down by country. You know, like it says in the very first line of text up there....

The units of measurement are not labelled.

The graph represents the percentage of total arms sales by country. What sort of units do percentages usually carry?

How are weapons defined?

Well, that's the sort of thing that's easily discovered by going to the source website referred to in the graph, isn't it? Specifically, it covers "major conventional weapons", such as tanks, planes, artillery, missiles, helicopters, et cetera. Anyway, go look for yourself - it's poor form to insist that someone else spoon-feed you when this sort of thing can be found on your own with extremely minimal effort.

102 posted on 04/08/2003 4:36:12 PM PDT by general_re (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.)
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To: Belial; TomB
...in some proof..

Here is the link on the bottom of Tom B's graphic.

http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/atirq_data.html

This Stockholm International Peace institute sounds credible to me. Interestingly enough what was sold by the US to Iraq was 4 helicopters from 1983 to 1985, that were sold for non-military uses. Saddam converted them.

Thanks TomB!
103 posted on 04/08/2003 4:44:32 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: Belial; ThreeYearLurker; MonroeDNA
What data specifically does it represent? The units of measurement are not labelled. How are weapons defined?

Here's a link with some specifics. It describes how many Reagan officials, including Rumsfeld, continued to advance Iraq's weapons program after they used chemical weapons on their own people.

Specifics?! The Washington Post?!?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

If I'm not mistaken, they still have us in a "quagmire" in Iraq, although that might have been yesterday.

On your side you have the Post and their "unnamed sources" and "administration officials".

On my side the is the Arms transfers to Iraq, 1973-2002 from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. I believe they are familiar with the English language.

104 posted on 04/08/2003 4:44:32 PM PDT by TomB
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To: MadIvan; *war_list; W.O.T.; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; blam; Sabertooth; NormsRevenge; Gritty; ...
Ugly stuff yet to be revealed!

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

105 posted on 04/08/2003 4:57:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: MadIvan
"Never Again" really means "Not for a while" as far as human events are concerned, it seems.
106 posted on 04/08/2003 4:58:41 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Where is Sean Penn now? Hiding from the truth.
107 posted on 04/08/2003 4:59:08 PM PDT by NetValue (You betcha Iraq was "involved" in 9/11 and the anthrax mailings)
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To: whadizit
why is Centcom not setting rules for destruction of evidence?
They probably can't control it all yet.
108 posted on 04/08/2003 5:06:17 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Belial; TomB
What data specifically does it represent? The units of measurement are not labelled. How are weapons defined?

Don't read very well, do you? Nor do you bother to use the information on the chart to investigate the source. It looks as though you just want to be spoon-fed.
Below are two files containing data on major conventional weapons transfered to Iraq for the period 1973-2002.

The first file provides SIPRI Trend Indicator Values for major conventional weapons transfered to Iraq expressed in US $m. at constant (1990) prices for the period 1973-2002. The data are presented according to major suppliers and are also expressed as percentages.

The following file contains a register that describes the weapons on order or under delivery, or for which the licence was bought and production was under way or completed during the period 1982 to 2001. This register also provides comments and some additional information on each deal.

Register of the transfers and licensed production of major conventional weapons to Iraq 1973-2002, (Acrobat file 17k)

When using SIPRI data for arms transfers made to Iraq after 1990, the following two points should be noted:

a] Although the SIPRI Arms Transfers Project has monitored reports of transfers of major conventional weapons to Iraq since 1990, none of these reports have been sufficiently well documented to confirm a transfer has taken place.

b] The SIPRI Arms Transfers Project only reports transfers of complete major conventional weapon systems. Thus, reports that indicate Iraq has obtained parts of a given weapon system, even if confirmed, would not be registered as a transfer.

c] See the Arms Transfers Project's chapter in the forthcoming SIPRI Yearbook 2003 for further details on suspected transfers to Iraq since 1990.

d] Information on suspected transfers of major conventional weapons and related equipment can be obtained from the Arms Transfers Project.

e] Details of arms embargoes in force against Iraq can be found at the Export Control Project.

109 posted on 04/08/2003 5:12:20 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
You're SOOOO damn analytical. ;-)

I love the smell of napalm in the evening.

110 posted on 04/08/2003 5:17:35 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB; general_re
You're probably wasting your time trying to educate Belial. "There are none so blind as those who will not see" you know.

Anyone who chooses one of the alternate names for Satan as his forum moniker isn't likely to have any respect for a great and decent man like RR. If I remember correctly, somewhere in holy scripture Belial is called the "father of lies".

111 posted on 04/08/2003 5:25:01 PM PDT by epow
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To: Belial
Hope you feel better soon.
112 posted on 04/08/2003 5:37:15 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MadIvan
Heinous.
113 posted on 04/08/2003 5:39:54 PM PDT by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: MadIvan
Like any other sick serial killer, ALL love to keep trophies of some kind - clothing, meticulous records of torture and personal information about the person and the most prized is pictures and videos of their evil handiwork. Why? They get off on it and get to relive it over and over and over again.

May they be in heaven. What they endured is hard to comprehend. Even if I'm not fond of someone, NEVER, EVER, even in a moment of passion would I do something like this to another human being for sport as was done here. These folks were defenseless. I have no doubt that death was a welcomed relief.

114 posted on 04/08/2003 5:44:13 PM PDT by nmh
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To: swheats
I believe the Judeo Christian God is blessing those who are liberating these people. While ANY casuality or injury is unwanted, these numbers are miraculously low. I don't believe this is luck. Righting wrongs and punishing those who are wrong is something the Judeo Christian God DOES approve of. If anyone would bother to read the Bible, God does this throughout the Bible - wars, etc.. The Bible is our blueprint of God's view on important issues. If people, especially the clergy, would READ IT!

There is NO godly reason in the world to ignore this and do nothing. It's a shame we didn't complete the job back in 1991. Imagine how many lives we would have saved and how many people would have been able to live a normal life without the psychological scars that this regieme leaves behind. It's nothing more than Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin etc. ALL OVER AGAIN.

115 posted on 04/08/2003 5:55:45 PM PDT by nmh
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To: TomB
Thanks for posting that. I'm puzzled though ... WHY was Germany so opposed to this war? You chart indicates that they had no real financial interest.
116 posted on 04/08/2003 5:57:43 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh
It is truly sick...serial killers on a grand scale.
117 posted on 04/08/2003 5:57:50 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MadIvan
For his defence of this evil regime, his head should be severed from his neck and stuck on a pike.

And not necessarily in that order.

118 posted on 04/08/2003 6:08:08 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation (Quagmire!)
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To: nmh
Thanks for posting that. I'm puzzled though ... WHY was Germany so opposed to this war? You chart indicates that they had no real financial interest.

IIRC they stand to lose billions owed to them by Saddam.

They also made a calculated gamble to align themselves with France and against the UK, in a European power struggle. Bad move on their part.

There are undoubtedly other reasons too.

119 posted on 04/08/2003 6:14:44 PM PDT by TomB
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To: MEG33
.....bump for reference.....
120 posted on 04/08/2003 6:25:00 PM PDT by houstonian (The Liberal and his conceit--a vicious cycle.)
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