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UN court to hand down sentence for Bosnian Muslims convicted of war crimes
AFP ^ | April 8 2003

Posted on 04/08/2003 9:13:18 AM PDT by joan

THE HAGUE, April 8 (AFP) - The UN war crimes court is to hand down Tuesday a final sentence against two Bosnian Muslims and a Bosnian Croat convicted of committing atrocities against Serb civilians during the 1992-95 war in Bosnia.

Hazim Delic, Esad Lanzo and Zdravko Mucic were already found guilty in an appeals case in 2001 of war crimes for their role in running the Celebici detention camp in central Bosnia and the torture, beatings and sexual assaults suffered there by Bosnian Serb inmates.

The appeals chamber will now hand down its final sentence for the three men.

The Celebici case first opened in March 1997 and is the first before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) to deal with Muslim suspects and Serb victims over the 1992-95 Bosnian conflict.

Often referred to as the UN court's "forgotten trial," the case has dragged on for six years. The case has gone back and forth between lower chambers and the appeals chamber of the UN tribunal.

The three men were first found guilty in 1998 and sentenced to jail terms of up to 20 years, but subsequently appealed. In the appeal in 2001, the men were all found guilty of war crimes but because several charges were quashed, the case was sent back to a lower court for sentencing.

New prison terms were handed down by a lower chamber in 2001.

Delic, a 38-year-old Bosnian Muslim, was deputy commander of the detention camp set up by joint Bosnian Muslim-Croat forces in 1992 in the riverside village of Celebici, near the town of Konjic in central Bosnia.

Several dozen Bosnian Serb civilians from the Konjic region were detained in the camp and subjected to torture and inhumane treatment during the war.

Delic was found guilty of murder, torture and the rape of two "defenceless" Serb women and convicted by a lower trial chamber to 18 years in prison. He was acquitted of one charge of murder on appeal.

"Mr Delic took sadistic pleasure in causing suffering to the inmates and often inflicted electric shocks on them," the judges said.

Bosnian Croat Mucic, 47, the commander of the Celebici camp, was found to have command responsibility for murder, cruel treatment and torture committed by his staff in the camp and convicted to nine years in prison.

Lanzo, a 30-year-old Bosnian Muslim, was the only one to express remorse during the trial. The former camp guard was found guilty of murder, torture and inhumane treatment and convicted to 15 years.

Tuesday's ruling on the defendants' appeals against those sentences will be the first time the court has delivered a final decision against Bosnian Muslims since it was set up in 1993 to handle war crimes cases during the bloody breakup of the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; bosnia; campaignfinance; celebici; icty; konjic; un
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1 posted on 04/08/2003 9:13:18 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan; *balkans
Charade continues according to the script - Serbs and Croats were agressors and poor innocent Muslims were victims.

If Nuremeberg Principles is taken as a yardstick, Aliya Izetbegovic and U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman would be on trial for CRIME AGAINST PEACE, They jointly sabotaged Lisbon peace agreement and put Bosnia on a warpath.

As a result, 100,000 Bosnian Muslims, Croats and Serbs have died. As a bonus, Al-Qaeda got it's foothold in Europe and America got it's money's worth. If there were no Bosnia war, probably there would be no 9-11.

Failing to point it out clearly is historical revisionism aimed toward obfuscatuion the roots of war and exoneration of the perpetrators.

2 posted on 04/08/2003 9:30:08 AM PDT by DTA
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To: *balkans

Zdravko Mucic was sentenced to nine years in prison for his role in running a reign of terror against Serb civilians in the Celebici detention camp in central Bosnia.(AFP/POOL/File)
3 posted on 04/08/2003 9:31:02 AM PDT by joan
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To: DTA
Often referred to as the UN court's "forgotten trial," the case has dragged on for six years.

Was it being a "forgotten trial" part of the plan to have a token trial to prove "fairness" yet keep down the news of Croat and Muslim run torture prisons of Serbs? Further, many inmates of these prisons witnessed Izetbegovic coming for visits: http://www.balkanpeace.org/wcs/wct/wcts/wcts08.shtml
Similar testimony about his visits came from Serbs survivors of other prison camps like the Silo at Tarcin. That must have been a typical part of Izetbegovic's itinerary - visiting the concentration camps of Serbs. UN soldiers (Malaysian and likely others) were seen providing security for his visits.

4 posted on 04/08/2003 9:44:49 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan
ICTY uses Celebici camp to hide other concentration camps run by Muslims. This one was run jointly by Croats and Muslims, sort of "he made me do it"

The fact that poor inocent Muslims run numerous horrendous concentration camps would shatter ICTY and expose shameless liars who compared Bosnia with Belsen and Auschwitz, the most brazen Holocaust diminishing lie so far.

5 posted on 04/08/2003 9:47:20 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Do you know if the Bosnian Serb forces knew of these camps and if they ever made any effort to get to them? I never read of any rescue or attack on these camps/prisons. Many seemed to operate from the very beginning through to the end, certain ones even existed for some time after the Dayton Accords. Why was there never a plan by Serbs to get to these? Was the UN maneuvered to keep Serb forces out of these territories?
6 posted on 04/08/2003 9:54:26 AM PDT by joan
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To: joan
Much as white and black supremacists in prison brutalize new prisoners to drive them into each other's arms, I would suspect that the Serbs, Croats, and Muslims in Bosnia had an interest in letting attrocities like this go on to keep the hate going.
7 posted on 04/08/2003 10:01:39 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: DTA
They jointly sabotaged Lisbon peace agreement and put Bosnia on a warpath.

Uh, yeah.

Izetbegovic backed out of Lisbon 3 months after Arkan overran Bijeljina and laid the Bosnian Serb's cards on the table.

Find some new lies, Milosevici.

8 posted on 04/08/2003 1:35:57 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; *balkans
>>>>>Izetbegovic backed out of Lisbon 3 months after Arkan overran Bijeljina and laid the Bosnian Serb's cards on the table.<<<<

Not according to historical record.

Timeline goes as follows:

March 18 1992 Lisbon agreement was signed

On March 26 1992 Army of Republic of Croatia and Muslim bashibozouk commited crimes in the Bosnian village of Sijekovac, killing 20 Bosnian Serbs. At that time Bosnia was part of Yugoslavia.

April 1 1992 Arkan in Bijeljina, according to HRW

According to General Bobetko's memoirs, Republic of Croatia was the first one to "overrun" Bosnia, i.e. Herzegovina in Fall of 1991. At that time Bosnia and Herzegovina was part of Yugoslavia. It was AGRESSION on neighboring state. After secession, Croatian forces had no right to be on Yugoslav soil. Yet they were there and Croatian general boasted about it.

Arkan came to Bijeljina April 1 1992, several months AFTER Croatians overrun Bosnia and Herzegovina and 3 days after Croatian Army slaughtered Serbs in Bosnia. Arkan's deplorable actions were provoked by Croatian atrocities several days earlier in Sijekovac. Bijeljina was part of Yugoslavia then.

April 6 1992Bosnia declared secession fronm Yugoslavia.

You may hurl insults and make tantrum but you can not change the facts.

Hoplite, Balzac advised that liars should have good memory!

Thank you for awarding me an oportunity to demonstrate how history revisionists rewrite known historical facts to suit their goals.

9 posted on 04/08/2003 2:11:43 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Hoplite; DTA
Izetbegovic backed out of Lisbon 3 months after Arkan overran Bijeljina...

Ahem, excuse me dear Hoppie, but your chronology is a little skewed:

Izetbegovic rejected the Lisbon Agreement on March 25. According to my math, that's about a week after it was accepted. Which he then followed up with an order for the full mobilization of Muslim forces on April 4.

This was all before Arkan arrived in Bijeljina.

But don't let me deter you. Go ahead and tell me how the author of Islamic Declarations (which he had republished in Sarajevo as recently as 1990), was truly interested in living peacefully with his Christian neighbors.

10 posted on 04/08/2003 2:45:00 PM PDT by bob808
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To: bob808
Post should read:

Izetbegovic rejected the Lisbon Agreement on March 25. This was all before Arkan arrived in Bijeljina. According to my math...

11 posted on 04/08/2003 2:53:40 PM PDT by bob808
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To: Hoplite
You are hilarious! Every time someone posts something that refutes the official version of what happened in Bosnia, you revert to the same old tactics: Ignore the evidence, restate the official version, contradict anything that goes against what you believe, don't argue the facts that are presented to you or even admit when you have been proven wrong in some instances, and, when all else fails, call the person who challenges you a Serb-lover, Milosevic supporter, etc. Your consistency is amazing. I can't read one f*cking post about the Balkans without you responding with your same old tired bullsh*t. All you do is spout the same "facts" over and over again. Give it a rest, pal. You are to intellectual discourse what the French are to winning wars. And go ahead and call me a Milosevic lover too, because I won't dignify your shower of sh*t with a reply. The people who post things that challenge the conventional wisdom about the Balkans are simply giving alternative views and trying to get people to reexamine the story. You, on the other hand, are simply argumentative. It is possible to question what happened in the Balkans without being a "Serb nationalist" you know. While the various posters who question what is happening in the Balkans sound like they are just interested in finding the truth, you sound like a PR flack for NATO and the Bosnian muslims. It's getting really old.
12 posted on 04/08/2003 3:09:07 PM PDT by drew
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To: DTA
Alright Sparky, instead of coming up with a google search, which points to a rather lazy approach to verification of claims on your part, why don't you stipulate exactly what was agreed upon in March?

I've run through this exercise at least 3 times here on FR.

After several rounds of talks our "principles for future constitutional arrangements for Bosnia and Hercegovina" were agreed by all three parties (Muslim, Serb and Croat) in Sarajevo on March 18th 1992) as the basis for future negotiations. These continued, maps and all, until the summer, when the Muslims reneged on the agreement. Had they not done so, the Bosnian question might have been settled earlier, with less loss of (mainly Muslim) life and land. To be fair, President Izetbegovic and his aides were encouraged to scupper that deal and to fight for a unitary Bosnian state by well-meaning outsiders who thought they knew better.

That would be Jose Cutiliero himself, writing to The Economist in 1995. (Thanks to Honorary Serb for finding that one oh-so long ago)

And let's not forget the fighting between JNA and HVO forces in Bosnia was a two way street, Croats cleanse Serbs in Herzegovina, Croats cleanse Serbs in Posavina, with the JNA still having all the heavy weapons and armor at their disposal, so attempting to lay the blame for Arkan's actions anywhere except at the feet of miserable Serb nationalist pukes in Belgrade who supplied and paid the released-so-they-could-join convicts known as Arkan's Tigers is, well, it's just what I've come to expect from reprobates such as yourself.

Do you recall Milosevic's meeting with Tudjman at Karadjordjevo? That was the real negotiation on what was to happen in Bosnia, and it happened in the Spring of 1991, before the gloves came off, and didn't include Izetbegovic. So if you're looking for someone to blame for the cleansing of a Serb village outside of Bosanski Samac, I suggest you direct your wrath at the dipwad who assigned their homes and property to his dipwad mirror image.

The Serbs got sold out first and foremost by Milosevic - they chose their leader poorly, and are still paying for it today, even as the most deluded stick by their man who so proficiently stuck it to them.

So let's review - you need to come back with the specifics of what was agreed upon in March of 1992, which will turn out to be merely a framework agreement, the basis of which was eviscerated by the likes of Arkan and the Pale leadership who were running full fledged concentration camps by the time Izetbegovic turned his back upon negotiating with them, and somehow turn that into a refutation of what I've posted.

I expect much from you based upon your conclusion from your post, DTA - don't disappoint me.

13 posted on 04/08/2003 3:33:36 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: drew; bob808
Why don't you two brain surgeons help DTA out with his homework here.
14 posted on 04/08/2003 3:40:07 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Ah, just what I expected from you! Thanks for being so consistent!
15 posted on 04/08/2003 3:41:53 PM PDT by drew
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To: drew
Do you even have the first clue as to who Cutiliero is and why that quote is fatal to DTA's position?
16 posted on 04/08/2003 4:40:24 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; *balkans
Cutiliero:

"To be fair, President Izetbegovic and his aides were encouraged to scupper that deal and to fight for a unitary Bosnian state by well-meaning outsiders who thought they knew better"

"Well-meaning outsider" is U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman.

DTA:

"If Nuremeberg Principles is taken as a yardstick, Aliya Izetbegovic and U.S. Ambassador Warren Zimmerman would be on trial for CRIME AGAINST PEACE, They jointly sabotaged Lisbon peace agreement and put Bosnia on a warpath"

Hoplite, thank you for bringing in Cutiliero to prove my point. Bosnian Muslims were advised to fight the war instead to settle dispute diplomatically.

You reminded me of a character who repeated illogical claims before blowing up. Take Bronhi, you'll breathe easier

17 posted on 04/08/2003 5:00:48 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Does he look innocent to you?


Bosnian Muslim Hazim Delic sits in a courtroom of the UN Tribunal for former Yugoslavia April 8, 2003. The Hague (news - web sites ) war crimes tribunal on Tuesday rejected an appeal by two Bosnian Muslims and a Bosnian Croat jailed for killing and torturing Serb civilians at a prison camp in Bosnia in 1992. Delic, Bosnian Croat camp commander Zdravko Mucic and Muslim Esad Landzo were imprisoned for 20, seven and 15 years respectively in 1998 for killing and torturing Serb civilians at Celebici during the 1992-95 Bosnian war. REUTERS/POOL/Koen Suyk

18 posted on 04/08/2003 5:49:47 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan
Does he look innocent to you?

How about this one?

What is 100,000 among friends.

And this one could not be happier. Guy #2 helped him to establish foothold in Europe that was used as training ground for 9-11 terrorist recruiters.


19 posted on 04/08/2003 6:48:35 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Hoplite
Nope. I'm just tired of your neverending bullsh*t. E.G., you find fault with the comment about the timing of Izetbegovic's actions, but you don't even mention the main post, which refutes your claims of complete Muslim victimhood, then you call a person with whom you disagree "Milosevici." And you completely ignore the statement about the presence in Bosnia of Islamic terrorists like Al Quaeda. That's what I'm talking about.
20 posted on 04/09/2003 3:11:49 AM PDT by drew
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