= Reward Terror.
Posted on 04/08/2003 3:48:21 AM PDT by Asher
Apr. 8, 2003
Bush: 'We are committed to the Road Map'
By THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF
President George W. Bush said Tuesday that the US and Britain "are committed to the Road Map toward peace."
Speaking at a joint news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair in Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, Bush added: "Now this process must be carried forward."
Moments earlier Blair also reaffirmed Britain's commitment to the plan, which calls for achieving Palestinian statehood by 2005.
"It's a hopeful time. I believe we can make progress," Bush said.
Bush further said he is pleased with the designated Palestinian premier Mahmoud Abbas.
The belligerency has never stopped...the above list could be 4 or 5 times the size.
= Reward Terror.
I sincerely doubt the President would agree with you. Politics stops at the waters edge in wartime, on matters of war.
Thanks for the link. Do you think there is any possibility Jordan would accept 3 million Palestinians from the occupied territories in exchange for Iraq? Sounds reasonable and an excellent alternative to the continuing conflict in Israel.
The Palestinians don't have a state for one reason. They don't want a state.
The Road Map is just another version of the same old Trojan Horse. Israel took it within her borders in 1993. She will not do it again.
Erekat says, "to stop the violence if possible." Sheesh! Erekat knows as well as anyone who is paying attention to the area that Arafat can stop the terror cold.. .he has proven in the past that he can.
But terror is giving them everything they want. So, they will just try to stop it if possible.
Please!
And I'm curious to how Israel will make a just war against people in a land it already occupies. Will it go and shoot them all for daring to live in their own houses under Israeli occupation? By Arabs occupying the land, do you refer to the fact of their living in houses they have legal title to in the West Bank?
Out of curiosity, is it possible, in your view, that Israel could ever be involved in an unjust war?
I'm just curious if you are a genocidal maniac Nazi wannabe wanting to kill all the Palestinians or merely looking for an opportunity to create millions of more refugees for the rest of the world to deal with so you can cement your membership status in the Milosevic Ethnic Cleansing Club.
What are so-called uncapitalized "palestinians"? Are they related to so-called uncapitalized "jews" or "isrealis"? Are you trying to peddle the theory that "palestinians" are really "Bosnians" or some such?
Can you explain to me why anything in the history of the past 50 years is relevant to the legal and moral right of people to live in houses and on land that they own?
America is a Christian Nation, was founded as a Christian nation,Sure wasn't. Even the devoutly Christian Luther Martin, a delegate to the Convention, would disagree:
The part of the system, which provides that no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States, was adopted by a great majority of the convention, and without much debate,--however, there were some members so unfashionable as to think that a belief of the existence of a Deity, and of a state of future rewards and punishments would be some security for the good conduct of our rulers, and that in a Christian country it would be at least decent to hold out some distinction between the professors of Christianity and downright infidelity or paganism.
Excluding the highly dubious and easily refuted example of the date, nowhere in the Constitution is God, Jesus Christ, or the Bible recognized. These were precise men who wrote a precise document. Had they meant for America to be a "Christian Nation", don't you think they might have said so?
-Eric
Every human has a right to their own home, and to live where they were born. How difficult is that to understand.
Why is it an atrocity to resettle 3 million people, currently living in abject squalor, amongst other people with whom they share a common language, religion and heritage, not to mention millions of square miles of undeveloped prime real estate?
Why is it so unreasonable and a "crime against humanity" to recommend that the Arabs open their hearts and welcome their brothers the way the Israelis welcome their fellow Jews?
Because Alouette, you freaking moron, its a flipping war crime to move people against their will from their homes and land. We currently term these things mass explsions and ethnic cleansing. We are presently prosecuting a vile bunch of Serbian criminals for carrying out these very acts, just like we went after the Nazis for doing it. Do you want the rest of the civilized world to have to attack Israel to discipline them for doing the same things?
There are 21 Muslim Arab countries full of empty land.
Because its a flipping desert and has been for 5000 years! Cripes! How stupid do you think the rest of us are? Empty lands my foot! If they are such lovely empty lands, why not move the Jews there, and let the Palestinians stay where they are? No I'm sure you'd never suggest that, because the whole notion of forcibly removing millions of people is un-American and disgusting.
Israelis and Palestinians need to figure out how they are going to live together where they are. The world is not about to countenance the expulsion of either group from where they presently sit. If they can't do so, they deserve the coontinuing bloodshed they are causing to each other and should be thrown some weapons and left alone to go at each other's throats, like a group of rival drug gangs in a turf war. The rest of the world cannot possibly lose from allowing that to happen. Maybe after enough of the extremists are killed, the rest of you can sit down and be rational.
Tell that to the Plains Indians... LOL!
The three you posted to our not Nazis.
In fact, the UN suggested as late as 1982, (I believe) that the best thing that could happen for the Palestinians would be for them to be repatriated to the states they came from (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan). Just FYI!
Lets translate that and strip it of its obfuscations so that its clearer to everyone here:
"My solution is that Israel go to war against unarmed civilians in Gaza and the West Bank and either expel them or kill them if they fail to leave immediately for Egypt or Jordan upon Israel's request."
There is only one madman who carried out a comparable policy to this - Stalin, who forcibly expelled and murdered millions of people within Russia, and then within the Baltic States, Poland, and Germany once he got the chance to occupy them with his army.
Do you plan on the IDF raping all the Palestinian women too, as a final "gift" on their way out? Stalin made that part of his policy also.
Psychopaths such as yourself should not be allowed out of your rubber rooms at the Asylum.
As to the Naziism of the postees - they all are acting like it - they are angling for an ethnically pure state achieved by means of violence. I think thats a totally immoral position to take. If the Israeli's don't want to deal with having many Arabs among them, let them simply pull out of the West Bank and Gaza.
Obviously you are unaware of the fact that the Palestinians in accordance to Oslo admitted to having 80,000 illegal weapons (among the civilians) in the territories. They, according to Oslo, were supposed to collect them. Arafat said he could only find 12.
Israel gave the Palestinians 40,000 arms for their police (the same police responsible for stopping the terror)
Please the Palestinians are not unarmed.
In fact, they are firing missles into Israel from Gaza as recently as last week.
I am not sggesting forced expulsion of anyone, only a voluntary alternative to living in a refugee camp. The U.S. normally accepts about 100,000 refugees from around the world each year. These refugees are all volunteers to resettle in America.
Um, no! And I don't blame the native Jordanians for not wanting to take them in either.
If you lost your home during war time would you want to return or would you prefer expulsion to a foreign country? Would you want to give up half your land to allow a home for a refugee from Canada to be built upon it?
My personal thoughts. Israel/Palestine needs to be repartioned to avoid moving many more people against their will. Its pretty obvious that isolated settlements in the midst of Arab areas will need to be abandoned. The refugees should be given monetary compensation for lost personal and real property to allow them to start their lives over again where they chose. Gaza and the West Bank should not be combined together into one state.
Swiss Scholar Felix Bovet visited the region in 1858. He wrote that the “Arabs themselves, who are its inhabitants, cannot be considered but temporary residents. They created nothing in it. Since they were strangers to the land, they never became its masters. The desert wind that brought them hither could one day carry them away without their leaving behind any sign of their passage through it.” In 1785, Constantine François Volney described the country as “ruined” and “desolate.” In 1843, Alexander Keith wrote “in his (Volney’s) day, the land had not fully reached its last prophetic degree of desolation and depopulation.” Mark Twain traveled through Palestine and wrote his observations in his book "The Innocents Abroad." “Palestine is desolate and unlovely… It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land.” Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, an eminent English cartographer writes about Judea, “it is hardly an exaggeration to say that for miles and miles there was no appearance of life or habitation.”
In his book, A Durable Peace, Benjamin Netanyahu points out that Stanley wrote these words in 1881 – “the very year that Arafat designates as the beginning of the Zionist ‘invasion’ and the ‘displacement’ of the dynamic local population. That Arafat is caught in another lie is by itself unimportant. What is important is that the lie endlessly repeated, refined, and elaborated, has displaced what every civilized and educated person knew at the close of the nineteenth century, that the land was indeed largely empty and could afford room to the millions of Jews.”
British archeologist Thomas Shaw wrote in the mid-1700’s that Palestine was “lacking in people to till its fertile soil.” Count Volney echoes Shaw when he wrote, “many parts… lost almost all their peasantry.” He continued, “Our merchants as have resided there twenty years have themselves seen the greater part of the environs…become depopulated.”
The British Consul in Palestine reported in 1857 “that the country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population…” Mark Twain wrote, “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings.”
Reverend Samuel Manning mourned when he wrote, “But where were the inhabitants… the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants.” British Historian, Charles Doughty found “a desert that was devoid of but a few “human lives.”
There was a large influx of illegal in-migrants into the land between 1917-1947.
Between 1922 and 1947, the Arab population in Haifa grew 290%, in Jaffa by 158%, and in Jerusalem, 131%.4 Most of the Arab immigration was illegal. The British Government authorized the 1930 Hope-Simpson Report to look into this matter. The Report stated that there was an uncontrolled influx of illegal Arab immigrants from Egypt, Trans-Jordan, and Syria into Palestine.
In Time Immemorial, author Joan Peters does extensive research into Arab in-migration from the surrounding area into Palestine. To show that in-migration was rampant and largely unreported by the British, Peter cites the Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission of the League of Nations, which met from June 3 to June 18, 1935, in Geneva, Switzerland. These Minutes contain an interview that Tewfik Bey El-Hurani, Governor of Syria, gave to La Syrie. This interview was published on August 12, 1934. El-Hurani states, “In the last few months 30,000 to 36,000 Syrians had entered Palestine and settled there.” Peters writes, “The Mandates Commission – which was an overseer to the League of Nations Mandatory Administrations – took special ‘note’ in its Minutes of the fact that the Syrians, were not merely passing through, but had indeed ‘settled.’ Yet no official account of that important wave of Arabs, who entered illegally, appears in British immigration records.”
Winston Churchill observed that the “Arabs have crowded into the country and not even if all world Jewry migrated into Palestine, they could not equal the influx of Arab immigrants who have come since the Jews arrived.”
In 1947, there were approximately 1,000,000 Arabs in the whole of western Palestine. Of these, 561,000 lived in the part partitioned to Israel. At the end of the war, 140,000 remained in Israel. That means approximately 421,000 Arabs fled to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and the Gaza Strip.
These refugees were forced into camps by their host countries and then turned over the care to the UN. Seven months later, the UN reported the number had swelled to 1,000,000. Where did the additional refugees come from? They were hungry and needy Arabs of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza who came to the camps to take advantage of the free care. The International Committee of the Red Cross pressed the United Nations Relief headquarters to recognize, as refugees, any destitute Arab in Palestine and to let him have refugee facilities in his own home.
Finally, the Jordanian and Egyptian government insisted that the refugee rolls include any Arab who could be described as needing support due to the war. Joan Peters writes that to the UN, a refugee was any Arab “who had been in Palestine for only two years before Israel’s statehood in 1948.”
If you read Joan Peter's book Time Immemorial you will find the quote from the UN. I may be wrong on the date. It could be earlier. I don't have my copy handy, otherwise, I would quote it for you.
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