[Hildy]

Illbay, it's the same crowd...the WESTERFIED is innocent crowd. Don't even try to get any logic, reason or even common sense displayed from them. They want to believe something, and will go down defending it. It's so mean and dark and it really comes from nowhere, and that's the most disturbing element to this.

[Illbay]

What's astonishing to me is their "well, obviously this is what HAD to have happened" attitude, used to support the most convoluted schemes imaginable.