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To: Spiff
Where's CPS when you need them? So you think government jack-booted thugs should come in and kidnap Elizabeth because you don't think the family should consut an expert attorney before deciding if, how, and whether to allow a book or movie to made about Elizabeth's ordeal!!? Are you aware that 50% of all child abuse deaths occur in foster care - that is, after CPS has taken a child away and placed them under state-licensed care? 50%!!! The sexual abuse rate is higher than that under CPS/foster care. What would you do? The whole world seems to want to know what happened to Elizabeth and the Smart family wants to do it right, if they do it, to protect Elizabeth, etc. Instead of realizing that you want the poor girl kidnapped by strangers and tossed into the abusive CPS/child theft industry. Your attitude is disgusting.

Excuse me, Spiffy but I find your attitude disgusting. Ignorant and disgusting. I was a CPS worker, thank you very much, and don't take kindly to your defamity to the profession. You got all those stats from where? Your fantasy world? I wasn't going to jump into this kidnapped v runaway debate until I saw your rantings. I've never heard such explosive anger on any post here so you must have your reasons.

As for the movie deal and the not-so-Smarts, well that's no big surprise. The more info that comes out the smellier it gets.

319 posted on 04/07/2003 1:42:05 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
Excuse me, Spiffy but I find your attitude disgusting. Ignorant and disgusting. I was a CPS worker, thank you very much, and don't take kindly to your defamity to the profession. You got all those stats from where? Your fantasy world? I wasn't going to jump into this kidnapped v runaway debate until I saw your rantings. I've never heard such explosive anger on any post here so you must have your reasons.

I've seen it with my own two eyes. The stats come from those reported by the state agencies to the U.S. Department of Housing and Human Servics (HHS). I'll add that the majority of cases where children are removed from the home are later found to be unsubstantiated. That translates to a traumatized family and probably thousands of dollars in legal expenses to convince the CPS jackals to back off.

I have explosive anger at the CPS/child abduction industry because I've seen it destroy innocent families, traumatize children, and railroad the accused through kangaroo courts to steal their children permanently. I've done the homework and, like I said, seen it with my own two eyes as CPS went after relatives and nearly destroyed their families.

It may be a bit disconcerting to someone who worked in the industry to hear the truth about it. You probably thought you were doing some good. You may have been one of the exceptions - one of the very few exceptions. I don't know. I haven't reviewed any of your case histories or talked to any of the families affected by whatever force you applied. However, I have reviewed many case histories, assisted with defense, etc. I know what happens and alot about how the system works. Jack-booted thugs is an apt description from what I've seen. If I had attempted to be more accurate in my description I'd be banned for obscene language.

346 posted on 04/07/2003 2:01:36 PM PDT by Spiff
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