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BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary
FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer

Posted on 04/06/2003 9:34:52 AM PDT by Liz

Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy of The Wanderer. From a FR post dated 03/23/00.

Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”

Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: “my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it.” This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: “...[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes.”

Alinsky advises the organizer to target the middle class, rather than the poor: “Organization for action will now and in the decade ahead center upon America’s white middle class. That is where the power is.”

Alinsky is interested in the middle class solely for its usefulness: “Our rebels have contemptuously rejected the values and the way of life of the middle class. They have stigmatized it as materialistic, decadent, bourgeois, degenerate, imperialistic, war-mongering, brutalized and corrupt. They are right; but we must begin from where we are if we are to build power for change, and the power and the people are in the middle class majority.”

To accomplish this, Alinsky writes that the organizer must “begin to dissect and examine that way of life [the middle class lifestyle] ... He will know that ‘square’ is no longer to be dismissed as such -- instead his own approach must be ‘square’ enough to get the action started.”

Rules for Radicals defends belief that the end justifies the means: “to say that corrupt the ends,” writes Alinsky, “is to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:

“The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s ‘conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action’; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”

“The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment.” Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, “... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi’s. Those who opposed the Nazi’s conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ....” Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. “...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory.”

“The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means.”

“There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father.”

Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”

The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states “that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.”

Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.

“The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”

“Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.”

“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

“The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself.”

“In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.”

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.”

“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate “conscious-raising” (Ed note: a tactic used by feminists) of people through the technique of “popular education.” Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer’s systemic solutions to address those grievances. “Through the People’s Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process.”

Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: “The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a ‘great creator’, to play God.” Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky’s tactics probably better than anyone else.


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To: Liz
Thanks.

This CERTAINLY

sounds like

her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous--Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de Marx de Machiavelli de Stalin de Pol Pot de Sade, alright.
81 posted on 02/25/2004 6:31:08 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
You got that name down perfect.
82 posted on 02/25/2004 6:36:09 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Gwarsh! Thanks! am humbled.

Just so it causes some to pause than think about how serious is her evil and traitorousness.
83 posted on 02/25/2004 6:39:52 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
We gotta get that name on a tee shirt.
84 posted on 02/25/2004 6:59:33 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
You are usually serious about such things!

Hmmmm

I'd vote for having it longer throwing in everything accurate and potent . . . such that we had virtually the whole shirt filled up in a font size easily readable at say 10-12 or so feet???

I think everyone should contribute who cares about such. I've typed off probably a dozen or 2 dozen variations. I wouldn't even pretend to remember them all.

But I'd love to have other contributors!!! Hadn't thought of doing a T-shirt--easy enough to do with a printer and iron on T-shirt transfers. But I'd rather FR or what is it, FR net--whichever can most legally and fittingly bear the ownership--I'd rather they have the copyright. And we probably ought to be safe on that score so as to be able to protect it.

What you think?
85 posted on 02/25/2004 7:09:01 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
The legalities would have to be worked out.
86 posted on 02/25/2004 7:15:59 PM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Would you care to follow up on that? I'm nost sure where to start and would just as soon leave that to someone of your astuteness and energy in such matters, anyway.
87 posted on 02/25/2004 7:18:56 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Liz
Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).

Hmmm, 25-year spread. It must have been an important anniversary for his refusal to grow the eff up. I suppose I thought I was a "radical" back in the 70's...but I got over it somewhat.

88 posted on 02/25/2004 8:16:16 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: nutmeg

bump


89 posted on 06/30/2004 9:24:01 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Liz

save for later study


90 posted on 12/31/2004 11:02:17 AM PST by krunkygirl
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To: Slyfox
There is no question in my mind that Hitlery applies these principles to every situation that she can. Of course, without a compliant media, these techniques wouldn't work very well, but she has them in her corner and it works fine.
Knowing these are her operational tactics, it should be possible for a shrewd opponent to predict her actions and take timely counter measures. I think Rove may be one who had also read Alinsky, anticipated her actions and had Bush behave in such a way as to neutralize her "rules of engagement".
91 posted on 12/31/2004 11:53:10 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2
.....I think Rove may be one who had also read Alinsky, anticipated her actions and had Bush behave in such a way as to neutralize her "rules of engagement".....

Neutralize? How 'bout nuclearize?

92 posted on 12/31/2004 4:09:01 PM PST by Liz (Wise men are instructed by reason; lesser men, by experience; the ignorant, by necessity. Cicero)
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To: finnigan2
Not just Rove but all of us should know what motivates the likes of Hellary and do what we can in our own circle to spread the word. The truth is timeless. Liz dug this article up that I posted quite a while ago. And you read it and added to the discussion. That is how exposing Hellary happens on a micro-level.

My goal over the next four years is to irritate the hell out of Hellary.

93 posted on 01/01/2005 9:50:12 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
" And you read it and added to the discussion. That is how exposing Hellary happens on a micro-level."

- I have made a hard copy of this article and intend to study it closely. I think Alinsky set out deliberately to produce an updated version of "The Prince", but he tried to modify it for intervening changes, especially in this age of communications and mass media.
Nevertheless, his principles seem to be essentially an everymans guide to implementing practical communism that Hitlery has adopted, not so much because she is a communist, but because she can see that the principles can be successfully applied by anyone with a ruthless agenda. And that agenda for her is the acquisition of power.
Just as wealthy people will describe making money as, "just a way of keeping score", so to does Hitlery view the amassing of power as a way of keeping score of her success. For her, it is like a drug, a goal that must be attained. Like Golum, she must have, "the precious".
It is both her strength and her weakness. By reading Alinsky, it should be possible to predict, in general terms, how she will play issues to her apparent advantage.
94 posted on 01/01/2005 4:50:43 PM PST by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2
Dealing with Hellary is like going to war. Knowing the enemy is the first rule of war.

When you finish the article you might look for two of Alinsky's books, 'Rules for Radicals' and 'Reveille for Radicals'. I don't know if they are still being printed but just in case, buy them used so Alinsky's family will not receive any benefit.

95 posted on 01/01/2005 6:15:31 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox
" I don't know if they are still being printed but just in case, buy them used so Alinsky's family will not receive any benefit."

- If searching for any old books, try Amazon.com. Their book sales area now has a link (for many books now out of print) to used book dealers where you can order what you're looking for, often at ridiculous prices. Just last week I found and ordered a twenty year old hard cover book that was listed by a seller in Delaware, in good condition, for .85 cents. The shipping cots were about $10.00 but c'est la vie - it's still a steal.
96 posted on 01/02/2005 6:05:39 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Liz

bookmark


97 posted on 02/15/2005 10:19:07 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: All

TRUTH BUMP


98 posted on 03/05/2005 7:49:18 PM PST by reformjoy
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To: Liz

A "For any uninitiated newbies" BUMP!


99 posted on 05/17/2005 4:01:16 PM PDT by Pagey (Whether Hillary Clintons attacks on America are a success or a failure depends upon YOU TOO!)
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To: Liz
John Boehner, the House Minority Leader, issued this warning:

The results in MS-01 should serve as a wake-up call to Republican candidates nationwide. As I’ve said before, this is a change election, and if we want Americans to vote for us we have to convince them that we can fix Washington. Our presidential nominee, Senator McCain, is an agent of change....

Funny how I read that and scratched my head trying to recall if that was a Saul Alinsky term and then eureka! Found it in your post from way back when.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016124/posts

100 posted on 05/14/2008 9:15:58 PM PDT by Covenantor
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