GOP Leaders Press Ehrlich To Veto Medical Marijuana

Baltimore Sun ^ | April 4, 2003 | Tim Craig

[Wolfie]

GOP Leaders Press Ehrlich To Veto Medical Marijuana

The Bush administration and other top national Republicans are heavily pressuring Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. to veto a proposal that would drastically reduce penalties for terminally ill patients who smoke marijuana to ease pain.

In recent days, several Republican officials have urged Ehrlich to reconsider his longtime support of medical marijuana, which has become one of the few issues that divide the state GOP.

Rest of article here.

[MrLeRoy]

I don't know; do you have evidence that the answer to either question is "California"?

Are you pretending otherwise?

Which part of "I don't know" did you not understand?

And why have you not answered my question?

[MrLeRoy]

The Daily Telegraph's version of the story left this out:

"Others, however, point to the fact that rates of schizophrenia have not risen dramatically in the past 50 years to correspond with increasing use of the drug. There is also a question over whether those who are likely to develop schizophrenia are already predisposed to take cannabis." (from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886617/posts)

[Wolfie]

Hmmm...so rates of schizophrenia have held steady during a period of rising rates of marijuana use. Eureka! Marijuana prevents schizophrenia!

[MrLeRoy]

I have a question for the libertarian pot-heads on this thread.

I use no drugs---including the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and tobacco---but I'll answer anyway.

Do you think the following Should be legalized:

Yes to all, for the following reasons:

• We'd reduce the following effects of the War On Some Drugs: deaths of innocents in drug-turf wars; deaths of users due to impurities or unexpectedly high potencies; enrichment of criminals; corruption of the justice system by enriched criminals; and lessened respect for the law in general.
• We'd uphold the principle that adults should be free to make their own non-rights-violating choices (even if the choices they make are stupid).

[MrLeRoy]

Hmmm...so rates of schizophrenia have held steady during a period of rising rates of marijuana use. Eureka! Marijuana prevents schizophrenia!

And leads to increased longevity.

[MrLeRoy]

some disgusting freak

The moderator has requested that personal attacks be taken to the Smokey Backroom.

[FF578]

Typical Libertarian response. LOL! You guys really cannot answer simple questions can you, all you can do is throw ad hominem attacks around.

[FF578]

Thanks for the straight answer. Another question Should kids be allowed to use the above? What would you set the age limit at in a Libertarian Utopia? How would you suggest handling the vast increase in users?

How do you suggest to handle the PCP user who smashes up your personal property? You will not be able to control him alone I can promise you that.

[MrLeRoy]

Should kids be allowed to use the above?

No.

What would you set the age limit at in a Libertarian Utopia?

That should be up to each community; 18 sounds about right to me.

How would you suggest handling the vast increase in users?

I know of no reason to expect a vast increase in users.

How do you suggest to handle the PCP user who smashes up your personal property?

Shoot him, or call the cops.

From the U.S. Department of Justice's National Criminal Justice Reference Service (publication NCJ 145534): "Of all psychoactive substances, alcohol is the only one whose consumption has been shown to commonly increase aggression. [...] Marijuana and opiates temporarily inhibit violent behavior [...] There is no evidence to support the claim that snorting or injecting cocaine stimulates violent behavior. [...] Anecdotal reports notwithstanding, no research evidence supports the notion that becoming high on hallucinogens, amphetamines, or PCP stimulates violent behavior in any systematic manner."

[donh]

So answer me, it really is a simple answer. Were the Founding Fathers insane? I challenge you to answer this with a simple yes or no without bringing up slavery.

Some of the founding fathers, including Washington and Jefferson, grew and sold marijuana. Do you think they were crazy?

[FF578]

George Washington was an early hemp farmer and made notes in his diary about the quality of the hemp and the separation of the male plants from the female plants. Some have taken this to mean that George was concerned with making sure the female plant became saturated with resin but there is no evidence to support this. The most likely explanation is that he wanted to keep the tougher, more fibrous male plants separate from the weaker females. There is nothing to indicate that George Washington smoked marijuana but the myth is prevalent among marijuana advocates.

Washington Grew HEMP, Not Marijuana, The THC levels in industrial hemp are so low that no one could get high from smoking it. Moreover, hemp contains a relatively high percentage of another cannabinoid, CBD, that actually blocks the marijuana high. Hemp, it turns out, is not only not marijuana; it could be called "antimarijuana."

Fact is our founders had much more important things to worry about than sitting around smoking dope and getting high. Hemp was used for making hemp products, NOT SMOKING.

In the 1790s, hemp was grown mainly for its industrial value and for soil stabilization. It was many years later that the recreational and illegal use of marijuana became popular.

The fact is while Washington's notes show details on the industrial values of hemp, There is NOT ONE Note showing the value or how to smoke it. IT SIMPLY WAS NOT DONE.

The fact that marijuana advocates, 60's radicals, and libertarians would try to smear the name of One of the nation's Founding Fathers for their own despicable means, only goes to show how wicked their agenda really is.

[philman_36]

In the 1790s, hemp was grown mainly for its industrial value and for soil stabilization. It was many years later that the recreational and illegal use of marijuana became popular.
You are so woefully ignorant...inform thyself!
History Of Marijuana
By the time of European contact 1500 years later, shamanism had fallen into decline, and the use of the plant for inebriation seems to have ceased and had been forgotten.
And it wasn't "illegal" until it was made "illegal" by a bunch of bigots and ignoramuses!

[FF578]

A pro-drug legalization site has no credibility.

Answer me this, Can you find one of George Washington's notes that explained the smoking reasons for growing hemp? If he kept such detailed notes on the plant's textile and soil management uses, why not any on smoking?

[philman_36]

A pro-drug legalization site has no credibility.
Then what kind of site would have enough "credibility" for you? Would The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001. be good enough for you?
Marijuana has been used as an agent for achieving euphoria since ancient times; it was described in a Chinese medical compendium traditionally considered to date from 2737 B.C.
What an ass you are!
Can you find one of George Washington's notes that explained the smoking reasons for growing hemp?
No, I can't. Can you? Oh, that's right...if you ever did find any you would do everything in your power to make sure they never saw the light of day.
Can you find notes on many of the everyday things that happened in his time? I doubt it, but it in no manner "proves" what you claim.
If he kept such detailed notes on the plant's textile and soil management uses, why not any on smoking?
Probably the same reason you don't find any information on what they used to wipe their rear ends with in the outhouse...they were commonly understood everyday things.
Nobody needed to keep notes on how to smoke tobacco either, yet it too was commonly smoked!
You are so asinine!
Any other stupid questions?

[FF578]

Our Founders had better things to do than smoke pot and get high. Fact is you can find thousands of detailed notes on how to prepare tobacco to be smoked. Washington grew HEMP, there is a difference between Hemp that is grown for textile uses and marijuana that is grown for smoking.

Even pro-drug sites admit you would have to smoke 5-6 hemp PLANTS to just start to get a headache.

[philman_36]

Cry baby, cry. You were there so you know, right?

[philman_36]

Fact is you can find thousands of detailed notes on how to prepare tobacco to be smoked.
BTW...you don't have to "prepare" marijuana to be smoked. Think that's why there aren't any notes on it?
BRICK!

[donh]

The fact is while Washington's notes show details on the industrial values of hemp, There is NOT ONE Note showing the value or how to smoke it. IT SIMPLY WAS NOT DONE.

You need to get your history from reputable historians, not from DEA flacks.

Smoked marijuana was recommended as an anodyne for pain and anxiety by Hippocraties and Galen, and until 1937, was part of the standard pharmocopia, well regarded for it's benign track record, since well before 1776, as even a casual perusal of first hand sources reveals.

The fact that marijuana advocates, 60's radicals, and libertarians would try to smear the name of One of the nation's Founding Fathers for their own despicable means, only goes to show how wicked their agenda really is.

The fact that manic drug warriors are willing to rewrite history, and ignore unbiased scientific iquiry, attests to the despicable unconstitution communist agenda of jailing victimless criminals "for the greater good of society".

[FF578]

You do have to prepare marijuana. Tell me pot-head, How many marijuana plants have you pulled out of the ground and smoked without any preparation. Just like tobacco, it must be prepared.

In addition there are many tricks that potheads use, which I will not list here, that are used to increase the THC content in the plants.

Let me guess, you just buy and smoke the stuff, not grow and sell it.

[FF578]

Marijuana and other illegal drug use is not a victimless crime. Like Sexual perversions it offends society as a whole and destroys the underlying moral fabric of a society, without which, a nation cannot survive.

Way back in 1815, The Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided an important case, here are excerpts from that case: It reflects the case law of the day, and the attitude on which our nation was founded.)

This court is...invested with power to punish not only open violations of decency and morality, but also whatever secretly tends to undermine the principles of society... Whatever tends to the destruction of morality, in general, may be punishable criminally. Crimes are public offenses, not because they are perpetrated publically, but because their effect is to injure the public. Buglary, though done in secret, is a public offense; and secretly destroying fences is indictable.

Hence it follows, that an offense may be punishable, if in it's nature and by it's example, it tends to the corruption or morals; although it not be committed in public.

Although every immoral act, such as lying, ect... is not indictable, yet where the offense charged is destructive of morality in general...it is punishable at common law. The destruction of morality renders the power of government invalid...

No man is permitted to corrupt the morals of the people, secret poision cannot be thus desseminated.

You libertarians have the same ideology as pedophiles, "If it feels good do it." In fact libertarians on this very forum have advocated lowering the age of consent, legalizing bigamy, sex with kids, dogs, goats, dead-people ect...

Just as with sexual perversions, I do not advocate jail for drug dealers and users.

I think the best way to prevent drug use and peddling would be to punish it the same way sexual perversions in early America were punished: That every person being thereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall be hanged by the neck until he or she shall be dead.