Posted on 04/04/2003 8:18:29 AM PST by Wolfie
Now, Roscoe, you know as well as I do that several states have medical marijuana laws; why are you playing dumb?
Of what special relevance are they?
Kubby, Peron and Rosenthal and their criminal violations have been the subjects of numerous threads about California's law.
I don't see how that answers my question.
There, now that's correct.
Which of them recieves the most coverage and discussion? Which of them is the most important to the legalization movement?
I don't know; do you have evidence that the answer to either question is "California"?
Okay. If nothing else ever comes of these WOD threads, we HAVE to do something about the creative renaming thing. It just goes on and on ad nauseam.
We know who the "liberdopians" are right? They're the freed-O-maniacs who think the Consti-torsion is supposed to be like some kind of blueprint for the whole nation. Like that and the Bilk of Wrongs is supposed to be the law of the land!
What a bunch of nut-bags!
Exactly right, it's alcohol and/or crack that do that.
Marijuana only causes that when ingested in "blunt" form.
You liber-smokian doper-head, you.
Why do the admin-mods let these reefer-maniacs smoke up the place anyway?
Go sniff your "hoochie-weed," all you stonetarians! Ha!
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania, I consider Pennsylvania my real home, I live and work in NC right now.
Secondly, do you feel that the Puritans, John Calvin in Geneva, and The Founders of our Nation were insane?
What did The Libertarian's Hero Thomas Jefferson have to say about Sodomy? Lets see:
Thomas Jefferson on Sodomy Sect. XIV. Whosoever shall be guilty of rape, polygamy, or sodomy* with a man or woman, shall be punished; if a man, by castration, a woman, by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least. Peterson, Merrill D. "Crimes and Punishments" Thomas Jefferson: Writings Public Papers (Literary Classics of the United States, Inc. 1984) pp. 355, 356.
What states had laws against sodomy right after the Founding of our nation??? ALL OF THEM:
Criminal sodomy laws in effect in 1791: Connecticut: 1 Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut, 1808, Title LXVI, ch. 1, 2 (rev. 1672). Delaware: 1 Laws of the State of Delaware, 1797, ch. 22, 5 (passed 1719). Georgia had no criminal sodomy statute until 1816, but sodomy was a crime at common law, and the General Assembly adopted the common law of England as the law of Georgia in 1784. The First Laws of the State of Georgia, pt. 1, p. 290 (1981). Maryland had no criminal sodomy statute in 1791. Maryland's Declaration of Rights, passed in 1776, however, stated that "the inhabitants of Maryland are entitled to the common law of England," and sodomy was a crime at common law. 4 W. Swindler, Sources and Documents of United States Constitutions 372 (1975). Massachusetts: Acts and Laws passed by the General Court of Massachusetts, ch. 14, Act of Mar. 3, 1785. New Hampshire passed its first sodomy statute in 1718. Acts and Laws of New Hampshire 1680-1726, p. 141 (1978). Sodomy was a crime at common law in New Jersey at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. The State enacted its first criminal sodomy law five years later. Acts of the Twentieth General Assembly, Mar. 18, 1796, ch. DC, 7. New York: Laws of New York, ch. 21 (passed 1787). [478 U.S. 186, 193] At the time of ratification of the Bill of Rights, North Carolina had adopted the English statute of Henry VIII outlawing sodomy. See Collection of the Statutes of the Parliament of England in Force in the State of North-Carolina, ch. 17, p. 314 (Martin ed. 1792). Pennsylvania: Laws of the Fourteenth General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ch. CLIV, 2 (passed 1790). Rhode Island passed its first sodomy law in 1662. The Earliest Acts and Laws of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations 1647-1719, p. 142 (1977). South Carolina: Public Laws of the State of South Carolina, p. 49 (1790). At the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights, Virginia had no specific statute outlawing sodomy, but had adopted the English common law. 9 Hening's Laws of Virginia, ch. 5, 6, p. 127 (1821) (passed 1776).
What states had criminal laws against sodomy, After the Civil War: Simple Answer again. ALL OF THEM!!
Criminal sodomy statutes in effect in 1868: Alabama: Ala. Rev. Code 3604 (1867). Arizona (Terr.): Howell Code, ch. 10, 48 (1865). Arkansas: Ark. Stat., ch. 51, Art. IV, 5 (1858). California: 1 Cal. Gen. Laws, 1450, 48 (1865). Colorado (Terr.): Colo. Rev. Stat., ch. 22, 45, 46 (1868). Connecticut: Conn. Gen. Stat., Tit. 122, ch. 7, 124 (1866). Delaware: Del. Rev. Stat., ch. 131, 7 (1893). Florida: Fla. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 2614 (passed 1868) (1892). Georgia: Ga. Code 4286, 4287, 4290 (1867). Kingdom of Hawaii: Haw. Penal Code, ch. 13, 11 (1869). Illinois: Ill. Rev. Stat., div. 5, 49, 50 (1845). Kansas (Terr.): Kan. Stat., ch. 53, 7 (1855). Kentucky: 1 Ky. Rev. Stat., ch. 28, Art. IV, 11 (1860). Louisiana: La. Rev. Stat., Crimes and Offences, 5 (1856). Maine: Me. Rev. Stat., Tit. XII, ch. 160, 4 (1840). Maryland: 1 Md. Code, Art. 30, 201 (1860). Massachusetts: Mass. Gen. Stat., ch. 165, 18 (1860). Michigan: Mich. Rev. Stat., Tit. 30, ch. 158, 16 (1846). Minnesota: Minn. Stat., ch. 96, 13 (1859). Mississippi: Miss. Rev. Code, ch. 64, LII, Art. 238 (1857). Missouri: 1 Mo. Rev. Stat., ch. 50, Art. VIII, 7 (1856). Montana (Terr.): Mont. Acts, Resolutions, Memorials, Criminal Practice Acts, ch. IV, 44 (1866). Nebraska (Terr.): Neb. Rev. Stat., Crim. Code, ch. 4, 47 (1866). [478 U.S. 186, 194] Nevada (Terr.): Nev. Comp. Laws, 1861-1900, Crimes and Punishments, 45. New Hampshire: N. H. Laws, Act. of June 19, 1812, 5 (1815). New Jersey: N. J. Rev. Stat., Tit. 8, ch. 1, 9 (1847). New York: 3 N. Y. Rev. Stat., pt. 4, ch. 1, Tit. 5, 20 (5th ed. 1859). North Carolina: N.C. Rev. Code, ch. 34, 6 (1855). Oregon: Laws of Ore., Crimes - Against Morality, etc., ch. 7, 655 (1874). Pennsylvania: Act of Mar. 31, 1860, 32, Pub. L. 392, in 1 Digest of Statute Law of Pa. 1700-1903, p. 1011 (Purdon 1905). Rhode Island: R. I. Gen. Stat., ch. 232, 12 (1872). South Carolina: Act of 1712, in 2 Stat. at Large of S. C. 1682-1716, p. 493 (1837). Tennessee: Tenn. Code, ch. 8, Art. 1, 4843 (1858). Texas: Tex. Rev. Stat., Tit. 10, ch. 5, Art. 342 (1887) (passed 1860). Vermont: Acts and Laws of the State of Vt. (1779). Virginia: Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). West Virginia: W. Va. Code, ch. 149, 12 (1868). Wisconsin (Terr.): Wis. Stat. 14, p. 367 (1839).
So answer me, it really is a simple answer. Were the Founding Fathers insane? I challenge you to answer this with a simple yes or no without bringing up slavery.
The Puritans, John Calvin in Geneva, and the Founders all understood sodomy to be a sicking crime against nature. To this day, 14 States and the United States Military have criminal laws against sodomy.
If you really think that the founders were insane, where did the new enlightenment of sodomy being a right come from? How did 1960's pot smoking radicals become more enlightened than Adams, Hamilton, Morris, Madison, Jefferson, Washington et al?
It burns libertarians and liberals up that there are still people left in the United States that hold God's Law as the only standard by which men may live.
As Blackstone Said:
"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this...
I find it amusing that everytime I bring up these points, the libertarians on the board refuse to address them, and resort to ad hominem attacks. I challenge you to break that cycle.
Yeah, "potties," that's what they are!
Pottie-lungs! Go breathe your bonks!
a society full of stay-at-homers
Get out of the dang house, you bunch of no good potties! Drive to the bar, like a red-blooded American should, and stop breathing all that pottie-smoke! You liber-terrorists.
They warned that the effect of cannabis on the body was equal to cigarettes but was "far more dangerous" on the mind.
Prof John Henry, a toxicologist at Imperial College, London, said: "Regular cannabis smokers develop mental illness.
"There is a four-fold increase in schizophrenia and there is a four-fold increase in major depression and that is something very, very different to what cigarettes do to you."
Dr Ian Oliver, independent consultant to the UN Drug Control Programme, said cannabis on the market today was 10 times stronger than that smoked by the "flower power" generation of the Sixties. "The result is doped-up kids who lose all motivation to do anything except lie in bed," he said.
Doctors in Holland have given the medical condition its own label: "amotivational" syndrome. This, say medical practitioners in the field, simply means cannabis is creating a new generation of layabouts.
Last year the Government decided to reclassify cannabis from a class B to a class C drug after hearing recommendations that it was much less damaging than other drugs.
But there were fears that the reclassification would see an increase in smoking cannabis, and Prof Henry said that use of the "soft" drug was on the rise.
"There are 13 million cigarette smokers and the numbers are going down," he said. "There are 3.2 million cannabis smokers and the numbers are going up.
"There is no Government health warning against cannabis but there are all kinds of restrictions against tobacco. People who smoke cannabis ought to be aware that it has equal effects on the body to cigarettes and worse effects on the mind."
Prof Henry and Dr Oliver were speaking at the Royal Society of Medicine conference in London.
Guess this explains, why in all my years in Law Enforcement, I have never met a doper/libertarian/pot-head with a brain.
Do you think the following Should be legalized:
Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD)(Thats acid for you libertarians)
3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine (Ecstacy for you libertarians)
Heroin (Smack for you libertarians)
phencyclidine (PCP) (Angel Dust for you Libertarians)
Cocaine (Crack or Powder form) (The white powder you snort or the Rocks you smoke for the libertarians)
Methamphetamine (Meth for you libertarians)
I would like reasons why or why not for each.
I doubt you're a LEO anyway. If you really are what you say you are and actually believe your un-Godly and un-American ramblings, do the world a favor; Take your service weapon and shoot yourself like the pig you are.
You prove that libertarians cannot answer simple questions without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
From your non-answer I guess the Founders, The Puritans, and John Calvin were "slime" "freaks" "un-Godly" "un-American" as well.
I will however pray that somehow God warms your foul heart.
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