Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[muawiyah]

See my answer to this argument at 140. You cannot get some Christian ministers to change even if you exclude them. They are following the examples of such behavior provided in the Bible, so if you have a problem with this I suggest you take it up with Moses, or King Josiah! Both were involved in ancient rewrites, so we can hold them at least partly accountable.

[Kevin Curry]

He was asked to pray. He should have the courage of his convictions and testimony and pray in the name of Jesus Christ, for that is how he has been commanded to pray. If they should bar him from the chamber or interrupt him, so be it. He should withdraw peacably. But he should not compromise for the sake of some inspid gruel of ecumenicism.

[sauropod]

You are the only one I have seen on this thread that has presented your side of the argument with honesty.

Thank you.

[yonif]

To this country??? Christians, and Protestant, as a matter of fact.

No, I mean, who came first to the world. What was the first religion of the world?

[Thinkin' Gal]

Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

...and Judah shall not vex Ephraim

[AmericanVictory]

This is not about faith, it is about secular power. It's a power move. There have been multitudes of invocations mentioning Jesus and multitudes invoked God by Jewish rabbis. Nobody, up until now, decided to use a Christian invocation to launch a secular power move.

[sauropod]

Careful! You might offend Illbay and Sinky. ;-).

[Blue Scourge]

Hey, Christianity is the completion of the Jewish faith, the old testament is a major part of the Jewish religion, and part of the Christian one.

Hence the term Judeo-Christian. Jews and Christians pray to the same God. The 10 Commandments were one of the founding principals of the Jewish faith, and the Christian faith.

[Hoppean]

If I am not a Christian --- does not make me a part of this nation?

Of course, everyone has religious freedom and is part of the U.S. as Americans, but there's also just a basic reality to be dealt with that non-Christians just have to remember where they are, and that most people they see around them are going to be living their Christian faith around them. Those who are in the minority and follow a different path have to make leeway for that and grow a thicker skin.

I'm not a nudist, but if I happen to walk into a nudist colony, it's not exactly logical for me to act shocked about the naked people all around me. I'm in their environment. If I'm going to be there, I have to change my expectations and not be so sensitive.

The tensions and controversy we see arising from this situation isn't really about religion, it's about the "society owes me" attitude fostered by the Left in this country over a period of years that various minorities have to be specially accomodated and everyone has to walk on eggshells.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..I may be guilty of lots of things, but ingratitude is not one of them...

Delighted to hear it.

Could I ask you to show that gratitude, to Jim Robertson and FR's countless other Christians, by refraining from jumping on every vaguely religious related thread with a snippy putdown about our ministers? That would be much appreciated means of demonstration. Thanks in advance, By

[Illbay]

It is important here to mention that "Rabbi" did not have the same meaning then as now. Rabbinic Judaism did not come about until after the Diaspora.

[TopQuark]

The very same 3% that rejected and continue to reject Jesus as the Messiah.

No, silly: what you are saying is bigotry. The one's that did not believe Jesus was the messiah when he lived are all dead. Present-day Jews are different people.

And, if you want to LOOK at the facts, then observe that only 5% of Europeans ever go to Church. Most of the rest do not believe in G-d, let alone the question of messiah. YOu and I much more close: you believe that his next coming will be second, and I believe that it will be first. THere are only 8% of us, including you and me: the rest don't believe in either version.

So please stop singling out the Jews --- 3% of the population --- and open your eyes on the majority of the Western world, which is "estranged" from religion.

[yonif]

I'm not a nudist, but if I happen to walk into a nudist colony, it's not exactly logical for me to act shocked about the naked people all around me. I'm in their environment. If I'm going to be there, I have to change my expectations and not be so sensitive.

So what you are saying is that a government legislature is a environment of Christians?

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Ilbay, I can see that tollerence for you is a one way street. For me it works both ways. They can pray to the Messiah in public and we can pray to Jesus in public. That's the way it works.

There is no reason why this had to be an insult. They chose to take it as one, therefore you accept that it was one.

Believe me, when I pray it's not to tweak anyone else. When I pray to Jesus it's because I consider him to be my ombudsman to the father. Jesus stated that his relationship to the father was the model for what our relation ship to him should be. If Jesus was praying at the opening of the service, would you prevent him from praying to the father because someone didn't believe in the trinity and objected? Don't be silly.

[sauropod]

Precisely.

[sinkspur]

Could I ask you to show that gratitude, to Jim Robertson and FR's countless other Christians, by refraining from jumping on every vaguely religious related thread with a snippy putdown about our ministers?

You've got me mixed up with somebody else, Byron. I don't jump on "every vaguely religious thread" and put down your ministers. I really don't. Check your synapses.

BTW, who is Jim Robertson? Or were you referring to Jim Robinson?

[lizma]

but they could deign not to shove it down the throat of people who don't believe the same.

OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!! Since when did listening to someone respect their faith in God become the equivalent of "shove down their throats"

I feel like I'm in the internet "Twilight Zone". Signed on to Free Republic and ended up at the DU.

[Illbay]

It is possible to give an ecumenical prayer that would be appropriate for an audience made up of Jews, Christians and Muslims, who together make up the majority of the "religious" in the United States.

I suspect before long it will be impossible to give a prayer at all on such an occasion.

[DoughtyOne]

I knew there was a catch. You came up with plain old sanity just to draw us in. Now you want something with, "In God we Trust" on it. You devil you.