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Microsoft Says to Take Aim at Google
Reuters ^ | 04/02/03 | Reuters

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:38:11 AM PST by md2576

PALO ALTO, Calif. (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT.O , the world's No. 1 software maker, on Wednesday said it is taking aim at privately held Google Inc., the Web-search company that's so popular its name is used as a verb.

"We do view Google more and more as a competitor. We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience. That's something that we're actively looking at doing," Bob Visse, director of marketing for Microsoft's MSN Internet services division, said.

Visse said the company was making some significant investments in developing a better search engine. But the company has not offered specific plans.

Microsoft would not be the first Web portal provider to step into the Web search segment. Last month, Internet media company Yahoo Inc. YHOO.O closed its $235 million purchase of Internet-search company Inktomi Corp.

Microsoft has said its been searching for ways to capitalize on its various technologies, for example data retrieval and analysis, by entering new markets. It has also targeted security software.

Google, the No. 1 Web-search provider, has become so pervasive that it is not uncommon for people to refer to searching the Internet as "googling."

A Google representative could not be immediately reached for comment.

Google has been seen as a top IPO candidate despite a lagging economy, but a company co-founder recently told attendees at a high-tech conference that going public is not on the front burner for the Silicon Valley company.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: google; googling; microsoft; searchengines; techindex
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To: Marie Antoinette
There are several plugins similar to what you describe for Mozilla/Phoenix browsers as well.I like the way Moz will display results in the sidebar for easier browsing of results.
21 posted on 04/03/2003 7:48:42 AM PST by zeugma (If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
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To: zeugma
I used to use Alta Vista. Then I switched to Ask Jeeves because it had a really useful natural language search. For some reason, they screwed that up and I found Google.

Ditto on the flash and animation. I keep a post-it note around to put over the top of some exceptionally bad graphics. Just because a web designer can create graphics that induce seizures doesn't mean he should.

22 posted on 04/03/2003 7:59:22 AM PST by KarlInOhio (France: The whore for Babylon)
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To: md2576
Google is my homepage. I access Google everyday. I should have Google tatooed on m'forehead.
23 posted on 04/03/2003 7:59:42 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: Wisconsin
Google may be out of Microsoft's reach. I once heard MS referred to as a company filled with many speedboats all going in the same direction. Well, Google is the very same way. Google is to search engines what Microsoft is to software.

I think MS will have to throw up their hands at some point. Unless of course, Bill Gates decides to buy them out. But, I don't see that happening either.

24 posted on 04/03/2003 8:07:57 AM PST by Slyfox
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MS "Innovative" Marketing 101: Make Google break in browsers running on Windows.
25 posted on 04/03/2003 8:37:59 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: MJM59
You have enough money. Stop already.

Thanks for the lesson in socialism. You might want to try DU to sell that message, though.
26 posted on 04/03/2003 8:52:50 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Get off my freakin back with that "socialist" crap. This guy is the richest in the world and he still charges out the a-hole for his flawed products.
27 posted on 04/03/2003 9:11:28 AM PST by MJM59
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To: MJM59
Get off my freakin back with that "socialist" crap. This guy is the richest in the world and he still charges out the a-hole for his flawed products.

The notion that someone has "too much" wealth is decidely socialist. Every socialist deems himself fit to judge how much of everything everyone else should have. I got an idea that would make you the richest man in the world. Make a better product than Bill Gates and charge a little less. In short, quit bitching about the state of the world and take actual steps to make it better.

28 posted on 04/03/2003 9:29:32 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: KarlInOhio
I use proxomitron to filter out the objectionable stuff such as flash applets.
29 posted on 04/03/2003 9:49:41 AM PST by theartfuldodger
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To: md2576
I hope MS, or someone else, comes up with a better search engine and makes Google obsolete. Google is the best and I use it, but I really wish there was someone better. Google refuses advertisements from gun and knife dealers. They can do that, but I'd rather not use the site if that's their policy. Another negative for Google is that Al Gore is a senior advisor to the company.
30 posted on 04/03/2003 10:02:20 AM PST by Nick The Freeper (Tag line......I don't need no stinking tag line.)
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To: Gunslingr3
You know, when it comes right down to it, you and those like you probably care more about Bill Gates money than I do. I guess that some folks need lots of money and spend their whole lives lusting after it so that they can make up for other inadequacies in their lives. I guess that's why I never had "Get Rich" on the top of my to do list. Just because ol Billy has more money in the bank does not mean that he lives a life that is any richer or fuller than mine. I have everything that I need and most of what I want. As far as making the world a better place, I think that proportional to bank balance, I have Bill covered so thanks for calling.

I have no problem with folks going out a making a whole lot of money. But there is a line between being a fine upstanding business man and just being a greedy MFer.
31 posted on 04/03/2003 10:31:17 AM PST by MJM59
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To: md2576
Microsoft didn't learn their lesson, eh? The feds will be on 'em again.
32 posted on 04/03/2003 10:44:20 AM PST by al_c
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Oh great... A Microsoft search engine... we'll have to install other software to get it to work and reboot on every other search.

LOL! And it won't work on a Mac. That, or Mac users will have to wait until the Mac version comes out 2 years later. ;o)

33 posted on 04/03/2003 10:49:14 AM PST by al_c
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To: Gunslingr3
Well...that's not entirely the case. After all, I don't necessarily want to shell out several hundred dollars for word processing and spreadsheet software when I only use about one tenth of one percent of the features of Word and Excel. I might prefer to use a simple package that costs 10 bucks. Or is free. But. The problem comes in if I want to communicate the document file with the rest of the planet. Therefore, the case is not as simple as "provide people what they want." In reality, if you want to share your documents, you have to share documents in the format that your receipient uses. And rather than have dozens of different formats, corporations have decided to standardize on one. And they don't care about the cost because:
(a) they just pass it on to their customers, and
(b) they get huge price discounts because they buy in volume.

By the above I am not declaring Gates an evil bucket of pond scum -- I am merely pointing out that it is more complex than the way you have framed it.

34 posted on 04/03/2003 2:30:41 PM PST by dark_lord
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To: md2576
Microsoft has said its been searching for ways to capitalize on its various technologies, for example data retrieval and analysis, by entering new markets. It has also targeted security software.

(Snort!) Ooooo-kay.


35 posted on 04/03/2003 5:48:50 PM PST by TechJunkYard (via Blue)
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To: dark_lord
The problem comes in if I want to communicate the document file with the rest of the planet. Therefore, the case is not as simple as "provide people what they want."

Yet "want" was the very verb you used. Wanting to communicate that document falls under providing people what they want. As you're probably aware, standard formats have been adopted such as delimited text files and rich text format for sharing documents between different software. Make your software capable of doing that.

corporations have decided to standardize on one. And they don't care about the cost because: (a) they just pass it on to their customers, and (b) they get huge price discounts because they buy in volume.

Corporations don't care about cost, because they can just pass it on? How do they ever lose money if costs have so little importance? Maybe if you're the post office and have a government enforced monopoly on your core business, but the free market has to deal with consumers, who can avoid your higher costs by seeking alternatives. (Post office is learning people are finding alternatives to them as well, monopoly or not...) There are indeed price discounts for bulk buys, but they're still more than $10 a license, or free. Microsoft as you probably know touts its TCO vs Linux by promising greater ease of use, interoperability, etc. It's amusing to watch people bitch about the price of MS products, and then bitch when MS offers products for free. The man will have detractors regardless, I just find so much of it baseless.

36 posted on 04/04/2003 5:43:04 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
As you're probably aware, standard formats have been adopted such as delimited text files and rich text format for sharing documents between different software. Make your software capable of doing that.

Again you make it sound simple. But it isn't. Microsoft deliberately "breaks" the file format with each release. In fact, they even break their own format, so that a version of Word released in 1996, which still works perfectly fine on Win95, is not capable of reading in a Word document generated from Word on WinXP. Since the corps upgrade, they are not impacted, but the consumers are.

If you make a word processor (WP) that generates a delimited text file, you may be sure that your software will not be able to read in the file format generated by the next version of Word. And it requires "reverse engineering" of the file formats to get your WP up to speed -- and meanwhile everyone in the corporate world who has upgraded can no longer communicate with you.

This reason, and this reason alone, is why most of the world uses Word and not other WP's. Because as I am sure you are aware, the vast majority of people who use a WP only need the following features:
(1) Basic formatting
(2) Spell check
(3) Table of contents and index.

That's it. Very few consumers (not business users) use a WP for its advanced features. Logically, therefore, there should be a market for $10 WP's. But there isn't (any longer.) The $10 WP makers are out of business because most people won't buy a product that produces a file that cannot be read in by the people with whom they need to communicate. Interestingly, several years ago there used to be quite a number of WP makers. They are defunct because the common file format kept changing and their customers became dissatisfied.

37 posted on 04/04/2003 7:26:17 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: md2576

If we could just got this done, Goole is finished!

38 posted on 04/04/2003 7:37:50 AM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Competition, as long as it's fair and healthy competition, in the search engine arena is a welcome thing in my book.

Gates will claim that the search engine is an integral part of the operating system. Your computer will default to MS-Search and nag the bejeezus out of you if you try to use any other search engine.

39 posted on 04/04/2003 7:44:30 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: July 4th
>>>More pop-ups?

You will have to read three adds everytime you click your mouse. If the popups don't display for at least 16 seconds each, you get to re-boot.
40 posted on 04/04/2003 7:50:47 AM PST by snooker
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