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To: bucephalus
Just say no to torture.
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Could we at least make an exception for Helen Thomas?

Seriously, there are circumstances in which I feel torture is justified. It is certainly justified to get info that a nuclear device is planted in NY and the clock is ticking.

97 posted on 04/03/2003 7:30:41 AM PST by doug from upland (Send Al Sharpton 5 bucks so he can wreak havoc in his party)
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To: doug from upland
Seriously, there are circumstances in which I feel torture is justified. It is certainly justified to get info that a nuclear device is planted in NY and the clock is ticking.

Besides my moral objection to such a technique, I doubt it would be very useful in such a situation. Torture can serve two purposes, basically: to punish/humiliate (the most popular historical use) and to extract information.

The former can be done by anyone and does not require a particularly skilled operator. If you are torturing simply for the sake of inflicting pain, it process can be as long or as short as you would like it, depending on how much pain the torturer can stand to inflict (as, unless the torturer is a sadist, often difficult to do).

The latter of the two methods is entirely different, though. Torture as a means to extract information is often an extremely lengthy process. Most people can withstand a great deal of physical pain, so torture used to extract information must be a combination of physical AND mental torture techniques--the only way to extract reliable information. Days or weeks certainly wouldn't be out of the question as far as a reasonable time limit here.

An interesting book on the subject, although to my knowledge, out of print, is "Physical Interrogation Techniques," by Richard Krousher.

101 posted on 04/03/2003 7:41:42 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: doug from upland
Seriously, there are circumstances in which I feel torture is justified. It is certainly justified to get info that a nuclear device is planted in NY and the clock is ticking.

Of course there are things we will do to get information from prisoners with information. Ultimately though, the information is won when their mind is overthrown... and outright causing of pain, or fear of pain, is only the least civilized way to achieve that. I would rather not put interrogators, and the varsity mind games they play, in the same category as sadistic abuse of an enemy out of hatred.

103 posted on 04/03/2003 7:47:07 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.)
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